The Brand New Top Players List - Page 23

**jimerax** · 12-26-2006, 12:14 AM

In my opinion Average Rank should be taken off, but # of AAAs is still worth something.

[#of AAAs]
- shows your overall PA skill, and is definitely stable once you get.
- not hard to count, since it basically means the # of Rank 1 score.
- It won't change like your best scores, even if other people get better or you miss some new songs.
- every good people have chance to get points for this.

[Average Rank]
- shows how good you are at ALL songs.
- shown on levelrank.php, and we can easily find.
- If you don't improve scores, it will be getting worse day and day.
- If you haven't played ALL songs at the time, AR will get incredibly bad. and it will easily happen when you miss new songs.
- people who don't want to keep playing ALL songs won't get this point.

**Tasselfoot** · 12-26-2006, 12:18 AM

...it currently ranged from less than 1 point per AAA to 1.5 points per 10 AAAs at most... nowhere is it even over 2, let alone 3.

and yea... definitely keep it, in at least some form. as it is, the MOST you can get between ave and aaas is 30, whereas you can get like 300 points for the other stuff... so it is in the range of 10% of the overall weight, which is nothing when you consider it.

and scottish... that was my point. someone who hasn't played 20 beginner songs is getting punished double, currently. getting punished for not having the AAAs and getting punished for not having the rank. both because of those songs.... same way i'm rewarded double.

i'd say either keep it as it is, because the weight of the bonus is only a fraction of the weight of the main songs... or tweak it so that you are only given a bonus for AAAs (since AAAs are more likely from songs NOT on the list, whereas Ave Rank will give a stronger weight to both songs not on the list AND songs on the list).

PS - add back in P4U, damnit! but tweak it slightly, since currently it doesn't have a 5 point value (AND... the 4 point value is way too difficult to get, given that I'm ranked 10th and am 1 good off from the mark).

EDIT: lol, Jimerax ninja'd me and said the same thing about keeping AAAs while ditching Ave Rank. To add to that though, I'd change the value... make the max 20 points instead of 15, and adjust the rest accordingly.

**eurostud4** · 12-26-2006, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

...it currently ranged from less than 1 point per AAA to 1.5 points per 10 AAAs at most... nowhere is it even over 2, let alone 3.

What I meant was give less points out per range of number of AAA's

Right now it's 2,4,6,8,10,12,15 bonus points every range of AAA's.

I'm suggesting to change it to 1 point every 10 AAA's, so the list would look like:
100+AAA's: Add 7 extra points to your total.
90-99 AAA's: Add 6 extra points to your total.
80-89 AAA's: Add 5 extra points to your total.
70-79 AAA's: Add 4 extra points to your total.
60-69 AAA's: Add 3 extra points to your total.
50-59 AAA's: Add 2 extra points to your total.
40-49 AAA's: Add 1 extra points to your total.

So basically cut the point values in half.

ledwix · 12-26-2006, 12:24 AM

Bonus points for AAA's and average rank should be kept.

Average Rank bonus points encourage players to keep participating actively. otherwise, their AR will slip drastically. it also encourages top players to master most of the songs, including the easy and offbeat ones.

A high number of AAA's shows a high level of concentration and accuracy, something needed at the upper level. even though this is tedious for some off-beat songs, top players should be able to overcome this.

plus, they are only about 10% of most people's points

WillTalbot · 12-26-2006, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jammer325

SDG = 9 or less. That's why it's called Single Digit Goods. (exception is songs with max scores including X number of goods.

I know that I was just kidding lol

Izlude77714 · 12-26-2006, 10:18 AM

levelrank should stay because it makes EVERY song worth having a good score on so I believe it shows skill more

**revolutionomega** · 12-26-2006, 06:25 PM

this has nothing to do with this thread... but i want to make some song suggestions such as "angel's eyes", "vertex", "dokudenpa", "setsugekka" and some weird things just for fun

also possibly that song from spin it up the lvl 8 "state of emergency"

stlunatic0124 · 12-26-2006, 06:28 PM

dAnceguy117 · 12-26-2006, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revolutionomega

this has nothing to do with this thread... but i want to make some song suggestions such as "angel's eyes", "vertex", "dokudenpa", "setsugekka" and some weird things just for fun

also possibly that song from spin it up the lvl 8 "state of emergency"

lmfao

tsuka's angel eyes and zagh's setsugekka are really fun solo charts

anyway

I'm playing FFR again. Right now I'm going through and playing the songs I either haven't played or don't have a decent score on, so this could cause a shakeup in the standings. Wait and see :O

**scottish** · 12-26-2006, 08:44 PM

Yeah definitely will be, the SS's you sent me should bring you up alot.

**Rebirth0** · 12-26-2006, 08:59 PM

This has probably been said before, but I don't want to look through 23 pages of posts to see for myself.

Why are there only certain songs on that list? We have quite a bit more than that, that would be worthy of that list I think. Have you just not taken the time to update or something?

**DarkManticoreX2** · 12-26-2006, 09:14 PM

Why not just instead of counting number of songs AAA'ed, you factor in the difficulty? An AAA on MLR is certaintly worth more (or should be) than an AAA on Euphoria. Sure, it may not be as hard a Full Comboing Gradeus, but it should be worth more than one point. No-body cares about someone who AAA's Trip to the moon, but in the current set-up an AAA on Trip to the moon is worth the same thing as an AAA on MLR or Boss Machine.

**argo15** · 12-26-2006, 09:17 PM

Yes, but if you AAA MLR the person would be expected to AAA the songs easier than that.

**jimerax** · 12-26-2006, 09:19 PM

Now we have a great program, so it won't take much time to calculate scores no matter how many songs the list has.

The most important thing for the list is showing the skill of people on HARD levels, that's why the list has only like 50 songs. Some other hard levels should be added though, so we need to determine which songs should be added next time.

**lumphoboextreme** · 12-26-2006, 11:45 PM

w00t! 7 points. lol.

stlunatic0124 · 12-27-2006, 01:04 AM

this is getting wayyyy too complicated. keep it simple. keep it as a measure of skill playing the difficult songs.

Exag0n · 12-27-2006, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stlunatic0124

this is getting wayyyy too complicated. keep it simple. keep it as a measure of skill playing the difficult songs.

Lol too late!

Oh, and can someone recalculate my bonuses please? Over 100 AAAs, under 10 average rank.

dAnceguy117 · 12-27-2006, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

This has probably been said before, but I don't want to look through 23 pages of posts to see for myself.

Why are there only certain songs on that list? We have quite a bit more than that, that would be worthy of that list I think. Have you just not taken the time to update or something?

Those are basically the best songs to evaluate skill level. Why would you need more? There's plenty there.

**eurostud4** · 12-27-2006, 11:16 AM

Peter do you mind not playing FFR for another few weeks so my self-esteem stays high knowing I have a higher rank than you?

tuanxdjboi · 12-27-2006, 12:34 PM

Somebody Update The Top Player Thread!!!!

12-26-2006, 12:14 AM	#441
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: The Brand New Top Players List In my opinion Average Rank should be taken off, but # of AAAs is still worth something. [#of AAAs] - shows your overall PA skill, and is definitely stable once you get. - not hard to count, since it basically means the # of Rank 1 score. - It won't change like your best scores, even if other people get better or you miss some new songs. - every good people have chance to get points for this. [Average Rank] - shows how good you are at ALL songs. - shown on levelrank.php, and we can easily find. - If you don't improve scores, it will be getting worse day and day. - If you haven't played ALL songs at the time, AR will get incredibly bad. and it will easily happen when you miss new songs. - people who don't want to keep playing ALL songs won't get this point.

12-26-2006, 12:18 AM	#442
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 42 Posts: 25,185	Re: The Brand New Top Players List ...it currently ranged from less than 1 point per AAA to 1.5 points per 10 AAAs at most... nowhere is it even over 2, let alone 3. and yea... definitely keep it, in at least some form. as it is, the MOST you can get between ave and aaas is 30, whereas you can get like 300 points for the other stuff... so it is in the range of 10% of the overall weight, which is nothing when you consider it. and scottish... that was my point. someone who hasn't played 20 beginner songs is getting punished double, currently. getting punished for not having the AAAs and getting punished for not having the rank. both because of those songs.... same way i'm rewarded double. i'd say either keep it as it is, because the weight of the bonus is only a fraction of the weight of the main songs... or tweak it so that you are only given a bonus for AAAs (since AAAs are more likely from songs NOT on the list, whereas Ave Rank will give a stronger weight to both songs not on the list AND songs on the list). PS - add back in P4U, damnit! but tweak it slightly, since currently it doesn't have a 5 point value (AND... the 4 point value is way too difficult to get, given that I'm ranked 10th and am 1 good off from the mark). EDIT: lol, Jimerax ninja'd me and said the same thing about keeping AAAs while ditching Ave Rank. To add to that though, I'd change the value... make the max 20 points instead of 15, and adjust the rest accordingly. __________________ RIP Last edited by Tasselfoot; 12-26-2006 at 12:20 AM..

12-26-2006, 12:24 AM	#444
ledwix Giant Pi Operator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Age: 35 Posts: 2,878	Re: The Brand New Top Players List Bonus points for AAA's and average rank should be kept. Average Rank bonus points encourage players to keep participating actively. otherwise, their AR will slip drastically. it also encourages top players to master most of the songs, including the easy and offbeat ones. A high number of AAA's shows a high level of concentration and accuracy, something needed at the upper level. even though this is tedious for some off-beat songs, top players should be able to overcome this. plus, they are only about 10% of most people's points

12-26-2006, 06:25 PM	#447
revolutionomega FFR Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: White Plains, New York Age: 34 Posts: 2,240	Re: The Brand New Top Players List this has nothing to do with this thread... but i want to make some song suggestions such as "angel's eyes", "vertex", "dokudenpa", "setsugekka" and some weird things just for fun also possibly that song from spin it up the lvl 8 "state of emergency" __________________ "AW MAN, WE SUCK AGAIN!" - Rob Schneider, The Waterboy (1998)

12-26-2006, 06:28 PM	#448
stlunatic0124 FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,228	Re: The Brand New Top Players List ibl! __________________

12-26-2006, 08:44 PM	#450
scottish FFR Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 38 Posts: 3,257	Re: The Brand New Top Players List Yeah definitely will be, the SS's you sent me should bring you up alot.

12-26-2006, 08:59 PM	#451
Rebirth0 FFR Originalbro Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Age: 35 Posts: 8,751	Re: The Brand New Top Players List This has probably been said before, but I don't want to look through 23 pages of posts to see for myself. Why are there only certain songs on that list? We have quite a bit more than that, that would be worthy of that list I think. Have you just not taken the time to update or something?

12-26-2006, 09:17 PM	#453
argo15 FFR Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 1,863	Re: The Brand New Top Players List Yes, but if you AAA MLR the person would be expected to AAA the songs easier than that.

12-26-2006, 09:19 PM	#454
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: The Brand New Top Players List Now we have a great program, so it won't take much time to calculate scores no matter how many songs the list has. The most important thing for the list is showing the skill of people on HARD levels, that's why the list has only like 50 songs. Some other hard levels should be added though, so we need to determine which songs should be added next time.

12-26-2006, 11:45 PM	#455
lumphoboextreme FFR Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Age: 35 Posts: 8,592	Re: The Brand New Top Players List w00t! 7 points. lol. __________________

12-27-2006, 01:04 AM	#456
stlunatic0124 FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,228	Re: The Brand New Top Players List this is getting wayyyy too complicated. keep it simple. keep it as a measure of skill playing the difficult songs. __________________

12-27-2006, 11:16 AM	#459
eurostud4 FFR Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: thicket of solitude Age: 34 Posts: 995	Re: The Brand New Top Players List Peter do you mind not playing FFR for another few weeks so my self-esteem stays high knowing I have a higher rank than you? __________________ FFR. R.I.P. Steve <3

12-27-2006, 12:34 PM	#460
tuanxdjboi FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Orange County, California Age: 35 Posts: 98	Re: The Brand New Top Players List Somebody Update The Top Player Thread!!!!

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