Impossible Math Question?

[lord_carbo]

lmao let's get aperson

[hafelife]

you cant solve it with what"we" call math because it is flawed take this for a EX if you try to find out how a buble bee fly with math you cannt becase the size of the wings dose not give anufe lift to life the bee so ether bees cant fly or "math" is wrong


srry if i spelled any thing wrong

[SCWolf]

lmfao.
you might have.

And now i'm going to my dad. He's like insanly amazing at math.

[SCWolf]

well i got my dad. he read the whole thread and said; if anyone wanted to figure that out, they would have to dedicate their life to that one problem, although if they did succeed in solving it they would be filthy rich. I asked him if he could do it and he said that he'd be long dead before he would be able to finish it.

I guess that means no one on these forums has a chance.

good luck FFR Mathmaticians!

[Kilgamayan]

Originally Posted by lord_carbo

lmao let's get aperson

I showed him this thread when Tps first made it.

His response was "hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha".

[Tokzic]

Don't three or four of these weigh heavily on cryptology?

I understand that with P=NP or the prime number frequency equation, you could program a skeleton key for almost any security system.

[hafelife]

still think t is imposable

[hafelife]

still think t is imposable

[8Shade8]

Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

1. don't double post.
2. this is CT... don't be stupid. Steven HawkinG is a physicist, not a mathematician.
3. your absolutely basic grasp of the concept is not helpful towards any kind of discussion
4. That's. stake. which. interrogate. mathematics. etc, etc, etc...

Lets review this for a moment. What is physics, in the literal meaning of the word. It defines the use of math in physical structure. The dictionary defines it as :

Originally Posted by a dictionary

a science that deals with matter and energy and their interactions in the fields of mechanics, heat, light, electricity, sound, and nuclear phenomena.

Now Mr. Tasslefoot, lets look at just a couple of aspects of physics. Steven Hawkins is and I quote

Originally Posted by http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html

Stephen Hawking has worked on the basic laws which govern the universe.

Now, I don't know if you know, but I have taken college classes. I also graduated High School today; my father is taking Physics as a minor at OSU. There is a ****LOAD of mathmatics involved with Physics. E=mc^2 for instance, is what gives us a concept of the speed of light. Without Physics there would be a very vague concept of math; it is what governs our universe. Which brings me back to Steven Hawkins, and why he is relative to this thread. I am sure if he really wanted to (right after making the laws of the universe and all) he could figure out an equation that "might" have an answer or "is possible to answer, but none of us on FFR are smart enough to figure it out." I was simply implying that if you guys would like an answer to your question, instead of asking people who play video games all day (which is fine, but there not making the laws of the universe here) you can easily E-Mail Mr. Hawkins at this site:
http://www.hawking.org.uk/home/hindex.html

Seeing as Albert Einstein is dead, you're most likely out of luck, as he would probably be one of the only people who can answer your question.

Shade

[Reach]

E=mc^2 for instance, is what gives us a concept of the speed of light

Uh, E=mc^2 is a fundamental equation in that it is telling us energy is equal to mass. Really, this equation has nothing to do with c other than the fact c is in it; it's really about the fact mass is another manifestation of energy.


Hawking is not a mathematician. Just because Hawking does math doesn't mean he would be an ounce of good here. Hawking is overrated; he's not the smartest person in the world just because he rides around in a wheel chair, gets media attention and made some discoveries. People really need to get out of their little Hawking cloud when it comes to brains. He doesn't know the answer to everything; really, he's like a good many more physicists but ended up becoming well known through his work with black holes and primarily through the books he wrote.

Hawking deals with Theoretical math models and things like Quantum mechanics, Riemannian geometry, 4 dimensional Lorentzian geometry, 8- dimensional tensor calculus and lie algebras/ ect.

This really is of no use when trying to solve a theoretical computer algorithm.

[flamingspinach]

. This thread fails extremely hard. Furthermore, 8Shade8 needs to be taken out and shot for stupidity and being pompous.

-fs

[Setherex]

Im sorry, but i have NO IDEA what reinninginignianinin mathmatics geometry are or any of that. And im in 8th grade, so what i think is that x = x. X can equal y, or any infinity numbers. But whatever you say, the only way that X = xy is if x = 2 and y = 1. Sorry if that doesn't help. And sorry if i sound dumb. But i dont know what this cryptolomogy is or any of this computer stuff.

[RandomPscho]

Isn't this question not directly related to math? Isn't it more of a computational analysis problem?

[lord_carbo]

8Shade8, you really don't know what you're talking about. Stephen Hawking is not the end-all of intelligence. Believe it or not, but there are people as smart and smarter than him at math, despite him holding the title of Lucasian Professor as Cambridge. Yes. There are.

Now shh.

Edit: Oh Reach beat me to it approximately 11 days ago.

Edit 2:

Originally Posted by 8Shade8

Seeing as Albert Einstein is dead, you're most likely out of luck, as he would probably be one of the only people who can answer your question.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, stop >__>

Edit 3:

Originally Posted by Setherex

Im sorry, but i have NO IDEA what reinninginignianinin mathmatics geometry are or any of that. And im in 8th grade, so what i think is that x = x. X can equal y, or any infinity numbers. But whatever you say, the only way that X = xy is if x = 2 and y = 1. Sorry if that doesn't help. And sorry if i sound dumb. But i dont know what this cryptolomogy is or any of this computer stuff.

P and N aren't variables in the sense of x and y on a coordinate graph. They're complexity classes in computing science or something like that, which is, well, more complex than that.

[Sane]

Originally Posted by Setherex

Sorry if that doesn't help. And sorry if i sound dumb.

Yeah, you do. But since you're grade 8, I'll forgive you. P means "polynomial", and NP means "not polynomial". They're abbreviations for algorithm complexity. N and P are not variables.

Proving that the supposed NP algorithm can be P, is a question of computational analysis. It has nothing to do with "x = xy".

[darkdieuguerre]

Isn't solving Minesweeper impossible in some cases, assuming you use nothing more than pure logic? Take the following case

1. You click on a square adjacent to at least one mine.

In that case, you'd have to either

2. randomly click a square adjacent to the square you just clicked (this choice would be chosen if the probability of clicking a mine is less than picking a randon square outside)

3. clicking a random square, which then either repeats itself until:

4. You click on a square not adjacent to any mines.

Then, you have the following situations:

5. You can't solve it given the information you're given (for example, you have a 3 by 3 region, where the perimeter is covered with 1s and the middle square is blank). Then, cycle back to clicking random squares OR try to solve the puzzle with logic.

6. You've clicked inside of a region bounded totally by mines. Eventually, you've have to cycle to clicking random squares.

7. You've clicked inside an open area, where you are bounded by the boundaries of the game.

Once you reach 7 (which can happen either on your first guess or never), then it resorts to solving the puzzle, which is nothing more than using logic. Unfortunately, there are some cases, where you have something like the following problem:

Take the 3 by 3 region in a corner, the 5 squares that are on the perimeter all show 1s. You have 2 mines left to find. You can either have the mines in the corner and in the center square, or you can have the mines in the other two squares. Then it resorts to blind luck. You cannot bluff your way out of that situation.

Therefore, wouldn't it be impossible to solve Minesweeper efficiently without some luck? Therefore, you can't solve this NP problem.

[Hilzer]

Originally Posted by Tps222

After 100 cities your
algorithm must scan 9.3 x 10157 possible routes.

Just small correction to the original quote.
There should be 9.3 x 10^(157) instead of
9.3 x 10157.

[Kekiz]

This only makes little sense to me but im confused why this has to do with minesweeper. Is it just an equation that solves minesweeper in the fastest possible manner? Or is the minesweeper part just a metaphor.

[Kiro51]

If I understood correctly, I think that if we prove that P=PN, then we could solve any minesweeper game...

But I (could be) am certainly wrong...

[SQU1RR3L NUTZZ]

Well uhmm good luck with that cause I don't even have clue as to where to start.