TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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  • mellon_collie
    FFR Player
    • May 2017
    • 156

    #46
    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

    Originally posted by Arapocalypse
    (Personally I have basically zero alignment thoughts on leetic so far, this mechanics stuff doesn't really mean much either way!!!)
    somebody in TWG once asked me why I use so many exclamation marks!!! I was like SORRY FOR BEING GENKI!!!

    This is to say, I appreciate the enthusiasm!!!

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    • FreezinIce
      FFR Player
      • May 2005
      • 262

      #47
      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
      EOD isn't today so lolololol
      Host added context: EOD is in fact today, in approximately 12.5 hours

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      No votes have been cast.
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      To let the world be.

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      Originally posted by Charu
      Wow, all most of my town reads vanished. Thanks Freez for stirring the pot, motherfucker!!!


      Originally posted by mellon_collie
      AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET
      Originally posted by roundbox
      AHHHHHHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET


      Originally posted by Afrobean
      Lynch all liars is good meta. Period.
      Originally posted by Red
      My guess at this point is that there aren't actually any wolves, and all the humans are just going to kill each other until only a few are left. Then the remaining survivors will realize they are the real monsters.
      Originally posted by TWG Ike
      SCUM THEATER AA SCUM CHARU WOLF ALIEN ROUNDBOX IS TOWN AND FRAMED

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      • roundbox
        fhqwhgads
        • Feb 2005
        • 2085

        #48
        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

        twig
        Originally posted by the sun fan
        I'd be too tiny to be a bouncer



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        • MixMasterLar
          Beach Bum Extraordinaire
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Aug 2006
          • 5400

          #49
          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

          Originally posted by FreezinIce
          Host added context: EOD is in fact today, in approximately 12.5 hours

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          No votes have been cast.
          Host has been most kind this day

          I will stay up and be present this EoD, and this EoD alone

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          • MixMasterLar
            Beach Bum Extraordinaire
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2006
            • 5400

            #50
            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

            Originally posted by mellon_collie
            ITS DESTINY IT'S L O V E
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            • MixMasterLar
              Beach Bum Extraordinaire
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Aug 2006
              • 5400

              #51
              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

              Originally posted by roundbox
              twig
              MixMasterLar dislikes this post

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              • mellon_collie
                FFR Player
                • May 2017
                • 156

                #52
                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                very basic early reads:

                Lar seems like Lar (what I would expect from his town game)
                Haku seems like Haku (what I would expect from their town game)
                Bug had the same reaction as I did to the mechanical talk, and I always see that as a good sign

                roundbox please make a real post
                H&H hello please come back

                feeling like I am biased toward town-reading people because I know them, and because I was turned off by the early mechanical talk

                so yeah don't really think I will take these reads super seriously but wanted to put something game related out there

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                • roundbox
                  fhqwhgads
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 2085

                  #53
                  Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                  Originally posted by leetic
                  Wolves' biggest advantage over town in setups like these is coordination, and it seems foolish to extend the gap even further. This game also may not even last to D3 and the Freikugel is realistically only getting two shots off, as I pointed out earlier. Nevertheless, enough people have posted that you should find something to gravitate to.
                  I agree with this insofar as having a suggested strategy town develops in thread, but I think letting the blues decide which powers to use is a slightly better version. Basically, I don't want people saying "Hey Freikugel, you should specifically use your ninja ability tonight" because that's obviously foolish.

                  One thing that's extremely important is that everyone needs to be voting someone at the end of the day. I don't think it'll happen in this thread since I'm assuming people are excited to play TWG, but if you've gotta miss EOD, it's a waste if you don't. Vengeful shooting nobody is a net negative for town.

                  I agree that Freikugel should shoot someone tonight. The first one is free even if the soul stealer uses their ability today (which you'd have to be pretty damn confident to use that this phase).

                  I don't know if I have any good reads on anyone in particular, but I don't think Haku's posting is suspect as of yet. I'd say I'm at a happy medium between Haku and leetic's positions.
                  Originally posted by the sun fan
                  I'd be too tiny to be a bouncer



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                  • roundbox
                    fhqwhgads
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 2085

                    #54
                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                    Originally posted by mellon_collie
                    =roundbox please make a real post

                    so yeah don't really think I will take these reads super seriously but wanted to put something game related out there
                    1. as if I wouldn't

                    2. this seems like you're posting for the sake of posting. none of your reads really advance, so it just feels like you're spinning into the mud.
                    Originally posted by the sun fan
                    I'd be too tiny to be a bouncer



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                    • mellon_collie
                      FFR Player
                      • May 2017
                      • 156

                      #55
                      Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                      Originally posted by roundbox
                      1. as if I wouldn't

                      2. this seems like you're posting for the sake of posting. none of your reads really advance, so it just feels like you're spinning into the mud.
                      I mean kinda? I specified that in my post that they weren't super serious reads... seems like you're calling me out for something I already called myself out for lol

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                      • roundbox
                        fhqwhgads
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 2085

                        #56
                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                        On whether or not the Freikugel should call their shot: I'm gonna do some thinking about that

                        Points in favor of calling their shot
                        -It's a claim which helps town with raw PoE
                        -It directly helps the Soul Stealer by providing them information relevant to the weakness of their role
                        -You'll still kill someone N2 as wolves murder you to death

                        Points against
                        -Getting a N3 shot off would be great assuming we have enough players alive at that point, but is that realistic?
                        -Wolves guarantee a hit on our KP

                        Let me do some quick math:

                        D0: 9: 7 town, 2 wolves. If Vengeful pops off, we're down to 7: 6 town 1 wolf is BEST case, 5 town 2 wolf is WORST case.
                        BEST CASE N1 with Vengeful gone: We win game as Freikugel shoots the last wolf to death.
                        BETTER CASE N1 with Vengeful gone: Freikugel kills town instead. We're down to 5: 4 town, 1 wolf.
                        WORST CASE N1 with Vengeful gone: We're down to 5: 3 town, 2 wolf.
                        D1: Ends in wolf victory or down to 3-1.
                        N2: Would lead to potential victory if Freikugel is alive and shoots correctly. If Freikugel hits town, game is over.

                        Assuming Vengeful stays alive until the end and both KPs pop each night:
                        D0: 7-1 best case, 6-2 worst case.
                        N1: Victory best case, 5-1 better case, 4-2 worst case.
                        D1: Victory best case, 4-1 better case, 3-2 worst case.
                        N2: Victory best case, 1-2 worst case (LOSE), 2-1 case which makes D2 as final voting.

                        It seems pretty unlikely we'll hit a third night phase unless wolf JOAT pulls off serious plays.

                        You know what? After running through these scenarios, I think leetic has a decent point. It seems hard to get that far in the game, and it just might benefit us if we're in a worst case D2 with 3 town dead.
                        That being said, we'll do the math tomorrow when we have the actual flips.
                        Originally posted by the sun fan
                        I'd be too tiny to be a bouncer



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                        • Arapocalypse
                          FFR Player
                          • May 2021
                          • 11

                          #57
                          Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                          Hyped to see the thread's picked up a bit!!!!!

                          I feel like MixMasterLar's got the towniest opening by far; just feels incredibly casually towny!!!! Feels like he's got no secret agenda in his back pocket, just putting whatever thoughts he's got rolling around in a town head out there; generally very towny vibes and stuff to ease into the game/get stuff rolling!!!! Also congrats on getting engaged!!!!!!!

                          While I didn't feel like Haku's posting earlier was as obviously towny as others seem to be picking up, since people are referencing meta there and I didn't feel bad about the posting, I'm comfy putting them in the light towns pile to start with!!

                          Also not going to lie, bit relieved others have a less-serious reaction to mechanics; while I do enjoy digging into mechanics a bit, I don't enjoy games being only mech-focused; mainly was just there without other stuff to bounce off of!!!!!

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                          • roundbox
                            fhqwhgads
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 2085

                            #58
                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                            Had this game 11 players, I'd be less willing to take the stance of Freikugel claiming tomorrow.
                            Originally posted by the sun fan
                            I'd be too tiny to be a bouncer



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                            • Arapocalypse
                              FFR Player
                              • May 2021
                              • 11

                              #59
                              Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                              Originally posted by mellon_collie
                              somebody in TWG once asked me why I use so many exclamation marks!!! I was like SORRY FOR BEING GENKI!!!

                              This is to say, I appreciate the enthusiasm!!!
                              I appreciate your exclamation marks hype as well!!!!!



                              (Light townread here in general, also I'll be out for a bunch of today; will be back a few hours before EoD though!!!!)

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                              • MixMasterLar
                                Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 5400

                                #60
                                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                Yeah, I definitely don't want town trying to micromanage our PRs so I agree with Roundbox there

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