TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

definitely wasn't not leading blind* if that makes sense

I was more leader than follower, at least

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I was more leader than follower, at least

Where you?

Where you really?

Let me go back and see if I agree with that

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Ok actually I did forget about this vote

I'll talk a bit about my reads; I did a bit of thinking during the night

short of it is I think wabby is kinda townie (dead air, dead villager[s])

I think star crossed is more likely to be town than not (Manti probably makes the requirement if he's in wolfchat)

I'm lowering inD to Fry-squint levels of town for now.

There was one more townread but I don't remember it.

read on raeko was more of a 1 day kinda thing

I think blind is playing kinda scummy. Coming into today firing from the hip like that seems out of character for his town game.

blind

That's about it

I remember Round making the case d0 and I remember Gradiant voting which prompted Blind to make a bunch of posts that basically made him look bad but this happened at the start if last day phase.

So I'll withdraw that skating by criticism because it does seem like you where at a point being proactive in voting.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I think you should look at the progression of my reads to see why I'm town.

I think I should ask you and you try to give a me as straight of an answer as you can.

If Roundbox had answered you with "read my post" would you have accepted that?

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I think I should ask you and you try to give a me as straight of an answer as you can.

If Roundbox had answered you with "read my post" would you have accepted that?

I would've if he told me what to look for, I did that, and came away agreeing with what he said, yes.

I'm not going to change what I said; I think that's what you should look at.

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Let me ask you what you ask Roundbox: Why are you town? What have you done that points to you being town?

And what have you done?

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I haven't done anything cause I'm bad at the game 🙃

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

RIP star

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Is this all we're going to get before you go play Dota again?

And ditto for you Roundbox by this point I expect to see a little fire.

Explain the last nightkill then. I get that some people think wolves are intentionally jut not killing IC but I don't believe that near enough.

hot take: lar is on the wolf team going with the flow of his teammates and intentionally not killing the IC to make lar look towny

You're not. No one said you where off the hook.

I am saying that I'm a little more impressed with you then the other two.

why do you like wnb over the other voters on blind?

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

RIP star

idea thief confirmed

btw last night's lynch marks the second night of raeko, t-force, and ben not voting
I would be fine with a policy in these three but I'm gonna look through star's posts while I have time

[Wineandbread]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Have you like, not read my posts from the last day phase or are you just trying to make me repeat myself?

I feel like someone protected Gradiant and the last nightkill was Vigi. This time wolves decided to skip Gradiant and go blue hunting since it clearly didn't work. This assumes vigi shot first night which I feel almost anyone would do in this situation.

Explain the last nightkill then. I get that some people think wolves are intentionally jut not killing IC but I don't believe that near enough.

With that attitude maybe

I don't ever exclude anyone (including myself) in such observations because sure as shit someone will throw a damn hissyfit about me doing so every game. Oh but Lar you're in that group as well waaaahhhh why you gonna be hypocritical

I trust you're smart enough to not go after Gradiant and to know I ain't going after myself here.

You're not. No one said you where off the hook.

I am saying that I'm a little more impressed with you then the other two.

I'm not trying to make you repeat yourself, I think your view is built on a shaky foundation. Why do you think vigi should shoot night 1? Look at the EOD and the vote tally. Also, remember that Manti was the vigi in the night, and star literally replaced into the night phase.

The other thing I'm not getting is why you INSIST it MUST be a vigi kill. Can there not be a SK in the game? Are you trying to detract from this possibility?

Because so far all I get is an uneasy feeling that you're playing low and humdrum until you see a breaking point and can push a mislynch; more or less skating by.

And while that happens on d0 for you alot as town (I pointed this out d0 I believe) by this point it shouldn't be an issue


And ditto for you Roundbox by this point I expect to see a little fire.

I can kind agree with this but let me expand on my view of sunfan.

The d0 vote lead I can't really complain about. sunfan found a target and nothing better presented itself. Queue dadv.

Now I'm looking back on his posts d1. Around 751 is where he begins to switch onto blind, from inD. He had two other candidates on the day, raeko for being raeko basically, and inD after agreeing with star's analysis.

Now, we know star is town aligned. sunfan's approach to his case on inD is entirely indirect, or more specifically I never feel like he pokes at inD himself that hard. Look at posts starting from 545 and onward (I went up to 670 before stopping, when T-Force drops a bomb). You see star and inD talking, star and sunfan talking, sunfan and MML, etc. but not inD and sunfan. The vote itself is not particularly weird, but I feel this behavior is.

So back to 751 with blind. Iso-ing the posts after this I can agree with the logic, but I feel it's an "easy" target you know? I'm ofc being a bit hypocritical here since I leaned in on blind too but I didn't really see any posts that suggested he wanted to consider somebody else after this. There's no solving, barely any hesitation (801 is arguable but not convincing) despite blind being universally shunned.

I'll take heat for my own progression on blind but I hope someone else sees this progression as suspicious. For now, sunfan gets my vote.

I don't know if I led blind, but I definitely wasn't complacent with that lynch

I led wabby's lynch, he just didn't die.

I think you should look at the progression of my reads to see why I'm town. Nothing should feel off there and its something that I think people read me on with success.

This is more of the same old same old from you, I think. Not meeting whatever expectations you have of me is par for the course.

Anyone else think this is a bit unusually phrased?

I haven't done anything cause I'm bad at the game 🙃

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

RIP star

Do you have any thoughts on the actions/posts at EoD? Particularly surrounding blind?

[Wineandbread]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I'll ask this to everyone as well: Do you think it is still possible for SK to be in this game?

I'm deliberating setups right now (don't hate me rb) and I'd like people to pitch in cause if I can eliminate SK the setups get much easier to frame.

Basically, is it possible multiple kills were blocked/saved between these nights, or SK would save his night action?

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I'll ask this to everyone as well: Do you think it is still possible for SK to be in this game?

I'm deliberating setups right now (don't hate me rb) and I'd like people to pitch in cause if I can eliminate SK the setups get much easier to frame.

Basically, is it possible multiple kills were blocked/saved between these nights, or SK would save his night action?

the probability seems low unless we've got some rad doctor(s) and/or stacked kills
wolves and SK always kill every night since they don't know the full setup and doing a non-kill is really dumb without knowing what all is in play

don't spend too much time weaving setups pls

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

My strongest townread is Wine, as I have explained, and I feel pretty similarly to him about the game, from his recent reads. Other than roundbox's read on you, I like roundbox, and I had a good first impression of MML that has not really changed. (I do feel that he thinks I could be mafia basically because I do not process the game exactly how he does, but I believe he believes it)

I am not actually sure if I am more comfortable with you than inD now. I kind of go back and forth? He feels more all over the place, but I feel you have more potential to be a smooth under pressure, than he does, I guess. I don't actually know if I feel any less, that one of you two could be a mafia, but I would feel very bad in being wrong about either of you, and so I would like to have more time.

I am kind of worried that Trevor is only really talking to and about a few people, and I think it could be a mafia tactic, to not give away information. But for some reason, I do not want to hang him as much as raeko?

I mean I guess for the scale, 0, because I believe him that he is not actually high. I am actually going to ben because I feel he is spending all of his time defending one person who is not going to get hanged (and himself), rather than trying to make an impact of any kind

Based on reading her posts, here's a rudimentary reads list:

TOWN:
Gradiant (assumed, but, lmfao you get it)
WNB (mindmeldy)
roundbox (everything but the sunfan read)
MML (sounding honest in his beliefs about the game)

Null/Trending around:
inDheart
sunfan

Scummy:
t-force
raeko
ben


This is her most recent posting of reads so I'd say that they're as accurate as can be in regards to her reads upon death. I'm cool with policy lynching one of the bottom three (the same I mentioned earlier. I wonder how she got to this conclusion??? :thonking
I don't feel the game is won voting out all three of them in a row, though. no way twg is this simple

[inDheart]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

i went and shoveled but it is still snowing and i need the feeling to come back to my fingers

idk why but they're doing the thing like they have blood loss even though i was wearing some nice gloves

[TWGma]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Hi guys, I've been up since 4 AM with 3 hours of sleep because Star Wars is a thing and it's fuckin' awesome and I'm gonna catch up with the thread now.




PS. Thanks for killing star, wolves. That actually clears up a lot for me.

[TWGma]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Now that I thought about this though I'm a bit curious why T-Force seemed so convinced there were exactly 3 mafia.

Every C9++ I've played has had 3 wolves whether or not there was an SK.
Not gonna lie, I didn't even know there were setups without it.

Take it how you will.