What's happening in here?

[Rapta]

Re: What's happening in here?

"as if my frustrations weren't made clear many months ago"

No they are not clear

transparency or riot

more ;like I have no clue what you are talking about, did you make a thread or somethign Zag?

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: What's happening in here?

Zageron, I remember there was a word document on Google Docs stating a rewriting of the Site Rules and I participated in drafting some improvements on the old rules. After putting in some more content and asking someone else to look into improving what I wrote down, nothing happened. I strongly believe that the rewriting of rules idea never continued to progress because nobody was actually assigned tasks related to it.

Similarly, I can't tell what dev is doing to monitor progress or if there are even assigned tasks.

[noname219]

Re: What's happening in here?

I've been trying to write a good response to this for a while, but I can't write anything that wouldn't make at least one person angry. Instead, I'll ask a question.

What would you do, given the ability to control the full direction of FFR?

Personally I just think there needs to be someone that is kinda like checking in with all the groups once in a while and getting an update on what's going on to make sure that things are getting done. The weekly what's happening posts were cool for a bit but then there were times I couldn't get anyone to let me know what was going on so I stopped doing them.

I think there just needs to be a lot more transparency about what's going on and if there's areas or people who aren't working out then maybe new people need to replace some people in those areas.

There's always been a huge lack of communication between the various areas of staff and from staff down to the users, which keeps sparking these threads.

I'll humor you with your question though. I don't think I would want to be in charge of the site or its direction as a whole anyway, but if I were I think a big part of it would be having some accountability by staff to either have goals that they are pursuing, or projects to be working on. Have occasional meetings where people brainstorm things, and if nothing comes up that's fine.

Exactly. That's exactly how an organisation should work. Have weekly meetings, designate tasks, report on those tasks, etc. Then, it would be much easier to tell the community what's going on.

[xAlphaWolf]

Re: What's happening in here?

i just realized the fact that AJ has moved to the osu community indirectly indicates that he thinks the osumania dev team is more competent than ffr's

damnnnnnnnnnnnn

>implying no dev cares about osu!mania
for example theres been a bug when you played a 7k song and then came back for a 4k song your arrows/notes get stretch
everyone knew that and they needed 2 years to fix it
and actually they didnt really fix it, ONE dev changed the configuration files( 4k,5k,6k,7k .ini ) to be inside the skin.ini , it randomly fixed the bug but removed some features such like using different images for combos

sry bad english

#fission 4 admin

[psychoangel691]

Re: What's happening in here?

Ugh there's like so much I want to say right now but I don't want to end up pissing anyone off.

[Rapta]

Re: What's happening in here?

Ugh there's like so much I want to say right now but I don't want to end up pissing anyone off.

Sometimes to change old things you gotta piss people off

imo post something valueable with as little insults towards people or groups as you can, but place blame where necessary, you are the current events manager iirc so I'm sure we would like to hear from you

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: What's happening in here?

feelings waste billions of dollars a year

trufax

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: What's happening in here?

Exactly. That's exactly how an organisation should work. Have weekly meetings, designate tasks, report on those tasks, etc. Then, it would be much easier to tell the community what's going on.

In my current workplace JIRA is used for assigning tasks to Developers and the QA Team. There are daily Scrum meetings so everyone on the Team is on the same page and knows if anyone is blocked by another developer (there's a software defect preventing QA testing, etc.)

I have no issue with providing weekly updates on the batch similar to a format like I showed in my earlier post about what is To Do, In Progress, and Done. I feel like if dev adopted this kind of structure, they would have a much better idea of who is assigned a development task and provide better estimates of how long something will take -- it will also allow the definition of a task to be made clear so the team knows it's done.

For posts regarding hurting feelings, remember that it's important to provide a sense of direction when giving feedback. There is nothing wrong with having genuine concerns.

[justin_ator]

Re: What's happening in here?

Ugh there's like so much I want to say right now but I don't want to end up pissing anyone off.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

imo post something valueable with as little insults towards people or groups as you can, but place blame where necessary, you are the current events manager iirc so I'm sure we would like to hear from you

For posts regarding hurting feelings, remember that it's important to provide a sense of direction when giving feedback. There is nothing wrong with having genuine concerns.

For real. If it's legitimate and constructive it honestly does have a place in a thread (and general discussion) like this.

[Trumpet63]

Re: What's happening in here?

I have to say that AJ's big post mirrors a lot of what I've been feeling lately, and then a lot of these other posts seem to exemplify Parkinson's law of triviality. Basically, everyone has an opinion on how management should work, which is not really the core of the problem if you ask me.

Before I became staff, I really felt like transparency was a HUGE issue, like, I lost sleep over it because I cared so much about the site. At this point however, while transparency is important, I think it's the transparency between the different staff groups that needs improvement. The dev team specifically is likely to have low transparency because we're the ones who are most likely to have big crazy ideas that would kind of explode if everyone knew about them... in a bad way. But, for issues like bugfixing, yeah, transparency is important.

Another issue that I kind of just noticed is like with OWA changing the difficulties around: DEV NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THAT! Especially me, because I'd need to completely rework the skill rating system, but I think there are other reasons too. In general, each group needs to know what each other group does so that we can work together if necessary, or at least be aware of changes that will effect everyone else's work.

If we're thinking that the solution to this problem is to remove most of the staff and then reopen applications, the first issue is deciding who exactly wants to be responsible for each of the groups (in a volunteer organization like this, that's A LOT to ask) and then those people have to figure out what they're looking for, and then review the applications. But if you can manage all that, I'm fine with reapplying for my position. Normally I'd say it's a waste of time, but like, very little progress is being made, so w/e.

Oh and another thing, sometimes people just want to do one specific project, and then leave, which I think should be allowed, and we should READILY allow those people into the group temporarily to give them CRUCIAL FEEDBACK, with the option of joining if applicable.

Please pm me if you have questions about dev stuff, I never get any pm's

From what I've seen, they have no progress monitoring process and don't assign tasks clearly. With this new idea of 2-week sprints with a spreadsheet showing what's To Do, In Progress, and Done, the dev team can see who was assigned a certain development task, how long the person has spent on it and if that person needs help, and redefine tasks if a situation changes.

Hahaa... dude yeah we tried that. Organization is not currently the issue for dev.
I would be ridiculously happy if the dev team could get to work on, i dunno, making a new version of the FFR engine (that's what dev is meant to do right)? That is what I want to happen, and what I want to be a part of. Unfortunately we've got a laundry list of bugs on the site and in the engine, and I'm not qualified to fix them, neither is anyone else so far.

[psychoangel691]

Re: What's happening in here?

Since my first time on staff in 2011 I've begged for there to be a better system with things. I was always brushed off or when I'd offer to take on certain roles to try to help resolve things I was told oh well that's so and so's job but they weren't doing their job. It's also always felt like you only get somewhere on staff if you're buddy buddy with someone. And not to be rude but it almost looks like there was some goal to make the entire admin team from Canada given the current active admin staff.

I was an admin for a little bit and I resigned because of a lot of this stuff that happened but when AJ decided he couldn't deal with it all anymore I was ready to jump back on. Despite all the hard work I had put in over however long I had to fight to even just get back the accesses I needed to do my job as event manager. There was no reason for that, I never did anything malicious to the site ever. I've had some outbursts sure, but I never once abused any power I was ever given.

Another annoying thing is having to rely on anyone else for anything because it's like things just go ignored or get forgotten. I asked about the av-miss engine and if it were still around got I'll check into it, then never heard anything. Way back when I first started on staff I was always giving new ideas for things and asking if I could do them, checking with all of the staff every step of the way and it would go ignored. Then when Jae took my position all of a sudden he was doing all my ideas and gaining credit for them. That was like a huge slap in the face to me. I always always tried communicating with all the staff and it was like no one cared to participate in any sort of discussion.

I checked the staff slack and I see there really hasn't been anything going on in there either, idk if there's more in the dev chat that I can't see but it just seems like everyone has gone astray and there's no real structure to anything.

There needs to be a top level manager who is actively checking in with the managers of the various groups and posting updates on the happenings that are going on to the users. And if those managers aren't effectively doing their jobs than this top level manager needs to be able to remove that person and find a replacement. It seems like too many people pussyfoot around to try not to cause a stir, but that's not getting the site anywhere. Same goes for the managers of the various groups, they need to be able to take charge and remove people as needed. I removed Zenith from my team because things weren't working out and he was really pissed off at me for a good long while (might still be, idk) but that's just part of taking on these roles, you have to be willing to step up and do what you need to do to make it work. There is more staff that have become inactive in their roles and need to be retired and possibly replaced if needed. I think we actually have an excess of admins right now honestly.

I think that there needs to be another thread asking users what features and upgrades they're looking for when it comes to ffr. Then go through them and figure out which ones are actually manageable for this site and which aren't

I also want to note of course users are going to be pissed off when they barely even see the staff members post at all around the site, let alone let them know what's going on. My file has been sitting in the batch queue for over a year now and that annoys me, I can't even imagine how those feel who are still waiting for things to be judged. (I mean no offense to the current team working on it right now) But I've said for years that staff needed to be more active with the users, so this is really nothing new from me.

I'd gladly go back to writing weekly or bi weekly what's happening posts if the teams would be willing to speak with me on that (bi) weekly basis so that I can actually make good posts about what's going on.


Not the best structured thing ever but it's just coming straight off the top of my head.

[_Zenith_]

Re: What's happening in here?

FTR Kayla I hold no anger towards Event Staff; I at the time really fucked up by leaking one of the images in a Scavenger Hunt to Zageron in profile chat, and rightfully so was discharged from the team.

Since then I tried to get back on staff but it takes a lot of hard work to prove yourself once again after a fuck up like the one I had made, but nevertheless the brutal simple statements work wonders in some situations where one can be blunt about what is happening.

Throughout this entire thread, just having various staff members and leaders from various groups within staff talking within the thread mixing in the boiling pot with various topics is somewhat a right step in the right direction.

[Rapta]

Re: What's happening in here?

Trumpet:

sometimes people just want to do one specific project, and then leave, which I think should be allowed, and we should READILY allow those people into the group temporarily to give them CRUCIAL FEEDBACK, with the option of joining if applicable.

I think that sounds like a good idea. That one guy a while back made an epic offline engine but didn't want to be dev. We could use people like that.

[hi19hi19]

Re: What's happening in here?

That one guy

lmfao

made an epic offline engine but didn't want to be dev. We could use people like that.

And honestly, read this thread. Can you blame him?

[psychoangel691]

Re: What's happening in here?

FTR Kayla I hold no anger towards Event Staff; I at the time really fucked up by leaking one of the images in a Scavenger Hunt to Zageron in profile chat, and rightfully so was discharged from the team.

Since then I tried to get back on staff but it takes a lot of hard work to prove yourself once again after a fuck up like the one I had made, but nevertheless the brutal simple statements work wonders in some situations where one can be blunt about what is happening.

Throughout this entire thread, just having various staff members and leaders from various groups within staff talking within the thread mixing in the boiling pot with various topics is somewhat a right step in the right direction.

These threads come up, some of the staff replies, then it goes back to the same ol same ol every time.