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  • EzExZeRo7497
    • Dec 2010
    • 6858

    #2806
    Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

    Originally posted by gold stinger
    Just put it under 97 & move on.
    There's no 97's in-game, it's harder than 95's, and metro is heavily stream-biased.
    SoS is literally an easier version of RATO, given the walls aren't as dense, and there aren't gung-ho retarded jacks, but it's longer.
    also luis hasn't aaa'd yet.
    The Bird's Poisoned Bathwater is like an easier The Bird's Midair Heatstroke, so I don't understand that argument. The walls are nowhere as dense as RATO yes, it has no jacks, the "hard part" of Staple on Smile is 60%-70% of the length of RATO's length. There's no reason to put it as a 97, considering that SoS' difficulty (in terms of intensity, I mentioned before that SoS is relatively easy to score on if you have the speed for it) is very similar to Metro's low SDG/AAA difficulty.

    I don't see how Metro is heavily stream-biased. It has far more than just streams, the streams aren't the hard part at all.

    Originally posted by _Zenith_
    The reason for switching from 1-13 to 1-99 in the first place was because 1-13 was atrocious, so what is apparently atrocious now?
    My tl;dr comment was a little tongue-in-cheek. My main point is that I feel that the 1-99 system is far too intricate for its own good, and difficulty will vary by 1-3 points (and even more) based on the player's skillset. It's practically impossible to really give a difficulty objectively other than a general consensus. Unless there is some way to formulate the strengths and weaknesses of the general FFR player (which is improbable because there are some files like Turbo that have horrendous scoreboards but similar files like Club and AIM Anthem have far better scoreboards relatively), it's not possible to give a difficulty to that precision.

    Honestly I feel that it'd be better to have a 1-25 scale mainly because the main issue with the 1-13 difficulty scale is that it's not detailed enough. A 1-25 scale would make the 1-13 difficulty a little more detailed, but not detailed enough for most players to feel that a file is underrated/overrated by a point unless the file is either very advantageous/disadvantageous towards their skillset.
    Last edited by EzExZeRo7497; 11-14-2014, 08:20 AM.

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    • _Zenith_
      Accuracy Player
      • Mar 2011
      • 4629

      #2807
      Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

      Originally posted by EzExZeRo7497

      My tl;dr comment was a little tongue-in-cheek. My main point is that I feel that the 1-99 system is far too intricate for its own good, and difficulty will vary by 1-3 points (and even more) based on the player's skillset. It's practically impossible to really give a difficulty objectively other than a general consensus. Unless there is some way to formulate the strengths and weaknesses of the general FFR player (which is improbable because there are some files like Turbo that have horrendous scoreboards but similar files like Club and AIM Anthem have far better scoreboards relatively), it's not possible to give a difficulty to that precision.

      Honestly I feel that it'd be better to have a 1-25 scale mainly because the main issue with the 1-13 difficulty scale is that it's not detailed enough. A 1-25 scale would make the 1-13 difficulty a little more detailed, but not detailed enough for most players to feel that a file is underrated/overrated by a point unless the file is either very advantageous/disadvantageous towards their skillset.
      Yeah, I agree with this, but it would be funny to have a 1-25 scale because that's how most games scale their songs (well tbh I've mostly seen 1-35 as the song scale for certain rhythm games). Either way, the 1-99 scale is too complex to read "the perfect difficulty" for the file, but going down to 1-25 would lead into having those Low and High difficulty files in that range. Determining difficulties has to be one of the hardest things about songs it seems, but that might just be how I see it





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      • One Winged Angel
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        FFR Simfile Author
        • Mar 2007
        • 10837

        #2808
        Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

        Originally posted by Dynam0
        I like how r7 is arguably harder than r8 was last official tourney and the cut-off is booflag already lmao. In my opinion, difficulty is starting to become dictated purely by the leaderboards and doesn't take into account the fact that people are just plain better than they were a year ago. There's constant discussion regarding bumping files in the high 80's and low 90's down and it's for this reason. I can understand frame-fixing making the file easier but lowering difficulties based on the fact that "a lot of ppl can AAA it now" is a silly reason.
        Said something similar on Skype, but basically if people are assigning absolute metrics to help quantify each difficulty sub-tier, I can see why you would take issue with this. I think it's a lot more beneficial (and leads to more accurate placements on a scale as expansive as 1-99) to look at difficulties and assign their placements based on their relative difficulty to other songs in the same region, and scoring statistics are a good indicator of whether or not something should be moved if you adopt that mindset. But even then, they're only an indicator. Stinger has more AAAs than most 87s and some 86s but it's not getting bumped down from 90 anytime soon.

        That being said, SoS + Metro are 96s now and this helps my 'have difficulties approximate a normal distribution' project so no one mess it up ok great thanks
        Last edited by One Winged Angel; 11-14-2014, 09:05 AM.


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        • Zapmeister
          FFR Player
          • Sep 2012
          • 466

          #2809
          Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

          i see you also just bumped party 4u -holy nite mix- from 98 to 99 right now

          is it just because you can say you've personally aaa'd a 99 or something

          edit: also means there are no 97s or 98s in game so that screws the point of having a 1-99 scale if you don't use all of it
          Last edited by Zapmeister; 11-14-2014, 09:13 AM.

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          • One Winged Angel
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            • Mar 2007
            • 10837

            #2810
            Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

            yes because p4u is a 99 in the same way DP and RATO are both 99s and I want to be able to say I can hit files at that caliber just as accurately (ur an idiot)

            p4u never should have been 98 to begin with, and with r8's song being introduced next week, I'd prefer that 97 and 98 aren't diluted with 'joke' songs


            Originally posted by ilikexd
            i want to be cucked by cirno

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            • AlexDest
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              FFR Simfile Author
              • Sep 2007
              • 5309

              #2811
              Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

              Originally posted by Zapmeister
              i see you also just bumped party 4u -holy nite mix- from 98 to 99 right now

              is it just because you can say you've personally aaa'd a 99 or something

              edit: also means there are no 97s or 98s in game so that screws the point of having a 1-99 scale if you don't use all of it
              not like there aren't enough 95+ difficulty charts in-game to be able to determine what would be an appropriate place for them right

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              • gold stinger
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                FFR Music Producer
                • Jan 2007
                • 6428

                #2812
                Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                Originally posted by One Winged Angel
                p4u never should have been 98 to begin with, and with r8's song being introduced next week, I'd prefer that 97 and 98 aren't diluted with 'joke' songs
                bolt thrower 98
                Originally posted by YoshL
                butts.


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                • SK8R43
                  D7 Elite Keymasher
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 4683

                  #2813
                  Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                  Originally posted by gold stinger
                  bolt thrower 98
                  Ill quit. doesnt really need to be in game haha
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                  • j-rodd123
                    End of the road
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3692

                    #2814
                    Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                    you actually care that much that youd quit if a 98 gets put in game. sick life

                    Originally posted by FictionJunction
                    wow

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                    • TC_Halogen
                      Rhythm game specialist.
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 19376

                      #2815
                      Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                      Originally posted by SK8R43
                      Ill quit. doesnt really need to be in game haha
                      if you'll quit at Bolt Thrower being put as a 98, you might do worse to yourself when you realize that Bolt Thrower in a Chinese Restaurant legitimately breaks the 1-99 scale (as in, it's too high of a file to be contained at 99 legitimately with Vrofl no longer in that part of the metric).

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                      • SK8R43
                        D7 Elite Keymasher
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 4683

                        #2816
                        Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                        I couldnt care less about the rating of it XD I mean the actual file. haha

                        Edit: I mean, unless its a token of course. then sure go for it. :P
                        Last edited by SK8R43; 11-14-2014, 12:51 PM.
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                        • ItsOnlyDanO
                          Stuck in the past
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 1168

                          #2817
                          Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                          wasn't bolt thrower rated at like 102 or something

                          I remember it being mentioned back in the last official that it some kind of broken rating
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                          • Tim Allen
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                            • Jul 2013
                            • 1129

                            #2818
                            Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                            bolt thrower will separate the GOATs from the WOATs i'm ready for it

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                            • ilikexd
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 3209

                              #2819
                              Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                              its like a 96-95 tbh

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                              • Fission
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                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 1850

                                #2820
                                Re: 10th Official FFR Tournament

                                Originally posted by SK8R43
                                I couldnt care less about the rating of it XD I mean the actual file. haha

                                Edit: I mean, unless its a token of course. then sure go for it. :P
                                you mean simfile authors and judges don't cater to your every whim? oh the humanity.

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