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  • TC_Halogen
    Rhythm game specialist.
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Feb 2008
    • 19376

    #16
    Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

    Rebirth0, I would sit here and humor you, but I simply cannot because I have some Network Security homework I need to do, so I'm just going to summarize your post really fast.

    a.) the judges group didn't falter because of it being too many files, they faltered because of miscommunications, and literally because of certain people's inability to just motivate themselves to do it. That's not a downfall of the team as a whole, that's the downfall of specific people. That is being addressed in the current reconstruction of the judgment system, and there is intent to hold judges accountable for issues like those in the future.

    b.) Your statement regarding "pretty weak files" still getting in game really just makes it that much harder to listen to you, because you're being narcisstic and implying that you know better than others about what makes a good file and what doesn't. There are a lot of simfile artists here that have improved quite a bit, and I don't take kindly to you downing them when you hardly submit to the batch as it is. If you couldn't already see, I'm assessing your points as you bring them up, and I'm responding to them very clearly for you. I have no reason to sugarcoat anything -- I already know what happens when things are just allowed to try and fit in place. Assertion is clearly the way to get things done around here.

    c.) The game getting massive is something that is uncontrollable with a game that has existed for 10 years. It is intimidating, but the solution to that doesn't revolve around file submissions because that count will continue to accumulate, and reduction in content hurts us now (and will hurt us later). If the game were to be purged or have yearly scoreboards/ranked files, and the list was growing, that's completely different. That is not the case.

    If you want to bring up points for reconstruction like hi19 did, that is perfectly fine. However, ensure that your reasoning behind it is sensible.

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    • Izzy
      Snek
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jan 2003
      • 9195

      #17
      Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

      Originally posted by TC_Halogen
      Rebirth0, I would sit here and humor you, but I simply cannot because I have some Network Security homework I need to do, so I'm just going to summarize your post really fast.
      Conceited as always I see. Can you please stop pretending to be vastly superior to everyone? Please, thanks.

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      • Coolboyrulez0
        VICES
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Aug 2006
        • 10042

        #18
        Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

        Holy shit the amount disastrous suggestions and fallacies in this thread. Rebirth go disapear again for a while please, izzy stop sucking on rebirths dick because AJ properly dismantled his argument.

        All in all stop being dumb nignogs ty and much love from the fatherland
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        • TC_Halogen
          Rhythm game specialist.
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Music Producer
          • Feb 2008
          • 19376

          #19
          Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

          Originally posted by Izzy
          Conceited as always I see. Can you please stop pretending to be vastly superior to everyone? Please, thanks.
          Absolutely not. I have to give you appropriate posting material to insult me whenever you get the chance. Everyone else, carry on!

          EDIT: in all seriousness though, I'm really not sure how posting that I have network security related homework to do makes me vastly superior to other people, considering there are a number of other CS majors here who could make me look like crap at the drop of a hat

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          • Izzy
            Snek
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jan 2003
            • 9195

            #20
            Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

            I didn't read anyone's suggestions, but his comment was just so self righteous it hurt.

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            • i love you
              Live a wonderful life~
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Oct 2006
              • 7315

              #21
              Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

              Well I know one thing...

              I'm glad that the judging system is being reconstructed lol
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              • Xiz
                TWG Chaos
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Feb 2012
                • 3399

                #22
                Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                Originally posted by i love you
                Well I know one thing...

                I'm glad that the judging system is being reconstructed lol

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                • yo man im awesome
                  soleil ardent
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • May 2007
                  • 6514

                  #23
                  Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                  Originally posted by Izzy
                  I didn't read anyone's suggestions, but his comment was just so self righteous it hurt.
                  what

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                  • benguino
                    Kawaii Desu Ne?
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 4190

                    #24
                    Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                    Originally posted by Xiz
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                    • TC_Halogen
                      Rhythm game specialist.
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 19376

                      #25
                      Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                      Originally posted by i love you
                      Well I know one thing...

                      I'm glad that the judging system is being reconstructed lol
                      Yeah...

                      There were really a lot of miscommunications, and we're aiming to fix that so a massive mishap doesn't happen again; it's going to take some time, but it's being actively worked on. I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but everyone just needs to be patient while things get completely kinked out a bit. Everything requires time.

                      EDIT: ok seriously I need to stop coming here and do my fucking homework lol

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                      • Xiz
                        TWG Chaos
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Feb 2012
                        • 3399

                        #26
                        Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                        Originally posted by TC_Halogen
                        Everything requires time.
                        Just like a good quiche! You don't wanna overcook the eggs, otherwise you will be eating a sponge! It requires tender love and care.

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                        • Rebirth0
                          FFR Originalbro
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 8751

                          #27
                          Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                          While I'd also love to debate with you on some of your own responses, I'll back off after this. Don't want to piss off the staff again and get banned for no good reason again. (That's meant to be humorous while at the same time, a hopeful wake up call. Your attitude is just like Tass's back in the day. I highly suggest not becoming him.)

                          Maybe I needed to explain in a very detailed fashion everything I said before, because you claim to be picking apart my arguments while not understanding what they're supposed to make you think about

                          the judges group didn't falter because of it being too many files, they faltered because of miscommunications, and literally because of certain people's inability to just motivate themselves to do it.
                          I said I thought people were overworked. What do you think inability to motivate themselves is? I see it as "wow I have to judge 100 files, that's so many, I don't want to do that" and put it off forever. You can't tell me none of the judges felt that way.

                          implying that you know better than others about what makes a good file and what doesn't.
                          Knowing "better than others about what makes a good file and what doesn't" is exactly what a judge is. They're picked to do exactly that. It's something I did a long time ago and I can still pick out what is good and what isn't. I don't doubt many people have improved over time, and that's a good thing, but I also don't need to actively submit to the batch to know what I'm talking about.

                          If the game were to be purged or have yearly scoreboards/ranked files, and the list was growing, that's completely different.
                          Of course that would be great. With the community deciding what files to purge, or eventually make a different client/database with something like only 2 - 3 files of each difficulty (on a 100 point scale) go into that game. But yes I know that won't happen, at least the purging, because hurr synth likes the full history of the game to be displayed


                          If judging positions become available again, I'll apply or whatever I have to do. I feel like doing this stuff again.
                          Last edited by Rebirth0; 02-6-2014, 01:35 PM.

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                          • Izzy
                            Snek
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 9195

                            #28
                            Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                            Originally posted by Rebirth0
                            Knowing "better than others about what makes a good file and what doesn't" is exactly what a judge is. They're picked to do exactly that. It's something I did a long time ago and I can still pick out what is good and what isn't.
                            It is still incredibly subjective. I'm sure for the most part nearly anyone who has played the game significantly can determine what a good file is when they see it. What needs to happen is the community as a whole should form some method of objectifying the specifications of what kind of things are good or bad in a simfile.

                            So maybe with time comes experience with this kind of thing, but that doesn't help the process as a whole. There should be a more concrete basis between judges.

                            If that was accomplished than you wouldn't really need a select list of judges who are somehow determined to be better at picking a good file than others.

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                            • cedolad
                              moonchild~
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 6879

                              #29
                              Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                              An approval process similar to osu!'s would be a practical approach.

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                              • ilikexd
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 3209

                                #30
                                Re: Serious Judging System Suggestion

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                because the game is getting too massive
                                for whom? What are you judging this by?

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                there are still pretty weak files getting into the game
                                Care to say which ones, AND explain why? I would say that the quality has been increasing as people have been getting better and more experienced.

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                your judges shat themselves, my guess because there are too many files to judge.
                                Yes, some did. And some went the extra mile. The problem isn't with the judges or system as some whole, it's that there was a coinciding of numerous personal failures and the fact that a lot of people had to put stuff off for final exams; a few people were behind, which motivated others to not worry about being on time because they thought they wouldn't be the last ones, and a couple just straight out did nothing -- it's their personal fault and it's being dealt with... it's not the system or the workload, as can be demonstrated by the fact that other judges did everything well and within the timeframe.

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                And if you really think you want to let people submit 5+ files per batch, then enforce stricter judging. Right now if I was judging a 70 file batch, I would tell myself "I AM ONLY ACCEPTING X AMOUNT OF FILES." There will be deserving files that would be left out, but that's why you're called a judge. Make the decision to pick the absolute best files.
                                Again, this would be a decent point if there was some need to control the total volume of charts we'd want in the game. But I don't agree with that. And either way, it would lead to marginalizing stepartists who weren't as elite but were still capable of producing charts slightly above acceptance line that are still enjoyable to the community, and would really eliminate the opportunity for new stepartists to rise up.

                                Originally posted by i love you
                                Well I know one thing...

                                I'm glad that the judging system is being reconstructed lol
                                "lol"

                                That smugness is really appealing to no one as it's known that you were a significant cause of the troubles with last batch.

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                Knowing "better than others about what makes a good file and what doesn't" is exactly what a judge is. They're picked to do exactly that. It's something I did a long time ago and I can still pick out what is good and what isn't. I don't doubt many people have improved over time, and that's a good thing

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                but I also don't need to actively submit to the batch to know what I'm talking about.
                                You might.

                                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                                If judging positions become available again, I'll apply or whatever I have to do. I feel like doing this stuff again.
                                Please do.

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