9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

[dAnceguy117]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

I think cumulative for the first few rounds could work in divisions 1-3 as well. just need to skillboost earlier if you want to make the eventual cutoff.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

I really appreciate the comments that you guys have thrown out here. It seems like everyone is leaning towards the fact of putting this for higher divisions, and in retrospect, it does seem like a better idea since D6/D7 players tend to excel in all skills, but tournament songs push them to extreme levels.

Keep on with the discussion, I really appreciate it!

[smartdude1212]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Also, about my AAA all comment, Im hoping to see at least a 97+ for round 8 because i want to see a spectacular final possibly where it doesn't end in a AAA.

Especially within an hour or so of the final round being posted. *cough*

[MixMasterLar]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

I almost feel like my opinion isn't called for because I am no where near a high level of FFR, but having played in both formats for DDR I have an opinion about it all the same.

Round Robin is great for one you are in a situation where you are competing with another person's scores. This is because of the weakness that you've stated in the OP and how it wouldn't totally apply to another opponent. However, this tourny is more of a free for all, with a set number of people advancing. Elim makes sense in this setting since the better players will naturally move up, while the lower players will be lower on the list; there isn't the excuse of "well that one guy had that one skill" when you are comparing to the whole.


Also---for me at least---I love the thrill of "OMG any round I could lose" and I always enter to see how far I can make it through. Shoot, I'll join a game I suck at just to see what happens. I could see where that isn't a proper reason to vote no for this, but that along with the above reasons is why I picked no

[j-rodd123]

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im definitely in the minority. I don't really care but ill say why I picked no: objectively it's a good idea and cant really argue against it.

personally: it seems a LOT less exciting and classic cutthroat elimination is what really motivates me to play and is what I love about the FFR officials. a lot more exciting to play and watch imo

[RB_Spirit]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

I really appreciate the comments that you guys have thrown out here. It seems like everyone is leaning towards the fact of putting this for higher divisions, and in retrospect, it does seem like a better idea since D6/D7 players tend to excel in all skills, but tournament songs push them to extreme levels.

Keep on with the discussion, I really appreciate it!

This~

[HalfStep]

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Agreed with rob's point, it makes it absolutely discouraging to try to skillboost from the bottom of a division, since even if you manage to improve your skill enough, your early round scores will get you eliminated.

It also gives a disadvantage to players that can't AAA easy stuff but still get decent enough scores to survive a cutoff in early rounds.

[foxfire667]

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I'd hate for there to be a situation where someone in D1, for example, really pushes himself to improve throughout the first four weeks of the tourney to the point where he's low SDG'ing the round four song, but his chances of getting through to round 5 is miniscule given really poor first and/or second round score(s). These scores would've barely made it past the elimination threshold for each round if the tourney had followed that format all along, but cumulative scoring up until that point destroys his chances of continuing to round 5 onwards.

What if instead of having a deadline for each round, any of the songs scores could be improved until the cumulative rounds ended? That way if lower division players did strive and improve themselves throughout the weeks of the tournament, they could attack a song from a previous week to represent their current skill. Then there would be no chance a player who skill boosted would be negatively impacted by prior round scores they could improve at their current state.

It also has some additional benefits like:
- Helping reduce the huge chunk of people who end up blowing off the tourney for one reason or another, by allotting them more time for prior songs.
- Giving newer players a greater amount of time to be acclimated to the tournament environment, and getting their barrings.
- A greater incentive to improve, and get the best possible scores you can (because you are never safe unless you AAA this way, since scores in the cumulative rounds could be improved throughout)
- I would also imagine the greater improvement incentive would raise competitive spirits as well

I know this would essentially make "rounds" in the cumulative phase arbitrary though, but it's just a thought. This also has nothing to do with the elimination portion of the tournament. What would be problematic with something like this?

[Bluearrowll]

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Seems like a well thought out idea. I'm all for it.

[One Winged Angel]

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@foxfire, I was going to mention that as a way to circumvent the issue with this new structure, but I didn't like that idea given the varying timeframes that'd be given to submit scores for each file (sort of like an inverted pyramid...four weeks for the first file, three for the second, two for third, one for fourth). And creating a period where ultimately four files will have overlapping submission times just wouldn't feel right for the official.

There's the possibility of releasing all four files at once but that doesn't seem right either. I really like the 'round' sequence and don't think we should stray away from a week per file, no overlap.

[TC_Halogen]

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Yeah, I don't like the feeling of having multiple rounds open at once. I wouldn't give players more than a week to submit for a given round. It completely destroys any sort of structure that the official used to have.

[EzExZeRo7497]

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Definitely like this idea, but the problem is that it doesn't necessarily help low D7 players at all, which is the main purpose of this idea to begin with. I'll elaborate on it more after my exam.

[Poison-]

Re: 9th (and 10th?) Official Tournament -- D7 (and others?) Format Change?

Definitely like this idea, but the problem is that it doesn't necessarily help low D7 players at all, which is the main purpose of this idea to begin with. I'll elaborate on it more after my exam.

I get what you're saying, but I think the point of the idea is to have the low D7 players actually able to participate in more than just one or two rounds of the tournament. This way they're getting at least 4.

[Staiain]

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Lmao did you get this idea with me in mind, it's like that post is 100 % working my way except my name's not in it

[Doug31]

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I think all divisions should be run the same way. A player that's one of the weakest to make the cutoff for another division isn't going to want to be eliminated in the first round. This is true regardless of which division it's in.

But I think this would actually discourage players from trying even more for the most part. This is because with an average over many rounds, the weaker players have even less of a chance to win since the better players will do better in more of the rounds to get a better total score so that it'd be far too hard for a bad player to upset a good player. I.e., even if they were actually in more rounds, they'd still find reason to essentially give up even sooner than if it were elimination.

I think the normal elimination way is the best and should be done for all divisions. It works and doesn't really have many drawbacks. It keeps players on their toes working hard to stay in the tournament in each round. It's far more exciting at the end of a round to see some people eliminated than a couple people moved up and down a little in a cumulative score.