TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

[mellon_collie]

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While i like this because it would make me look better, im not really in the buisness of going after someone and hoping they flip town, that shit is wack

Id rather get some pressure on hatred

I still think Hatred has a bit of too wolfy to be a wolf going on, idk either that or he just fundamentally disagrees about how to play the game which might be fair enough

I kinda want to focus on Force...

That, and Storn's whole D0 was just shit, so I think that Storn is a good focus today.

This is just a weird way to think to me. Storn's D0 was shit, when is Storn's D0 ever not shit?? to the point where it became a site-wide meme?

Does Force of all people want to extend D0 meme shenanigans into D1?? idk

[FreezinIce]

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The fact that eod happened with absolutely zero friction or vote movement at all leads me to think storn cannot be a wolf here

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

@mello

Hatred parked a vote on me, left and missed eod, and didnt question or show any interest in anyone but me for the entire last day.

Doesnt that warrant some pressure? It feels like a wolf tunneling to look busy and get a day pass

[FreezinIce]

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I know that i just said a partner wolf would almost never bail storn out there but theres plenty of ways to influence votes other than voting yourself.

Eod was pretty much just shado and storn rolling over with everyone else going "welp"

Thats not an eod where a wolf is a wagon unless the paradigm of the game has massively shifted

[mellon_collie]

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@mello

Hatred parked a vote on me, left and missed eod, and didnt question or show any interest in anyone but me for the entire last day.

Doesnt that warrant some pressure? It feels like a wolf tunneling to look busy and get a day pass

Yeah it does look kinda bad. I would like to see him explain himself tunneling you right to the end when it was clear nobody else was going to go for it

[T-Force]

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Going through Haku's posts to find some reads and interactions - especially knowing they were from a pure point-of-view.

I don't think everyone will see what I see this early in the game, but I'm fairly convinced you're town. Nothing seems to make me think otherwise. I also want to mention this because I think you're likely to be an early game target because people might expect more from you than you can truly deliver and it might become an obstacle for you later on this phase. fmpov, you just feel lost, trying to get a feel for the game and your narrative is simple, but relatable. I'm gonna ignore the read list tho.

This was @bugkid.

I wish you did that post with either T-Force, Raeko or Star Crossed.

I feel like I just heard the echo of my previous post from a mountain and it's starting to make me feel like you're parroting what I say.

I'm saying that because you also voted H&H after I voted him.

This was @Freezin also seconding the bugkid town read.

Raeko looks very comfy and all I got from her game is that she likes my posts, but nothing helps me understand the narrative of her game. That's kinda worrisome to me. I will probably not get the chance to ask her anything this phase considering I won't be here tomorrow. I'm not sure I'm a fan of that. I think town raeko would have said something she likes or dislike about other players by now, but I guess this depends of what she will say tomorrow before EoD.

T-Force is also in a spot where I'm confident he could have posted 100% of his posts as both alignment. I'm slightly leaning town based on tone alone tho. It's not worth much, but I don't think I would have voted here Day 0.

I might slight town lean Star based on this post:
[insert star's reads post #133]

This felt relatable. Those posts are probably easy to make as wolves, but I also think this specific post is within the town expectation. I do think this post moves the game forward and is genuine helpful regardless of alignment. I might lean town as in "at least keep alive Day 0" kind of post.

Storn is literally a coin flip. iso ain't helping me. Seems to be having fun being storn, but that's it.


Yeah, I'm also not feeling it with Shadow God this game. Not sure why. I feel like he's not getting into the game as much.

A bit better in terms of Haku's reads.

There's also the interaction with Freezin up top re: the spat with Hatred.

I'm tempted to assume FreezinIce/H&H is a TvT late night headbutt fight.

I think game gets spicier voting storn/shadow god while keeping an eye on whatever T-Force/Raeko will say tomorrow.

I think H&H is wrong on the whole experienced game sense stuff, but I think the effort here is genuinely town.

I believe he would have played this better if he was wolfing. It's a lot easier for me to simply assume he was town, but had the wrong idea.

Not everyone thinks like you and me.

I'll move to Shadow_God_10.

He has a decent amount of parity with Raeko/Storn. I prefer those odds to be investigated.

Not saying wolf, but this is definitely a space that should be more explored while I'm not around tomorrow.

[insert quote about thunderdome]
Just do it next phase after a bunch of night actions happen. I want more content, but I think we have enough for you two.

In order to try to summarize, I feel like Haku's reads led towards

Town:
- Freezin
- Hatred
- bug

- slight Star
- slight me

Null:
- Raeko
- storn

No real wolf reads there, and his vote got voted out ultimately, so not much else more.

Obviously, I'd like to know more about what they meant about Raeko's/my interaction in a post-storn/Shadow vote, but alas.



Regardless, Freezin. Do you really want to keep going gung ho on Hatred?

[T-Force]

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Ugh.. I guess I should deep dive into Lewdy's posts too, but.. I feel like that's going to hurt my head.

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

Ugh.. I guess I should deep dive into Lewdy's posts too, but.. I feel like that's going to hurt my head.

easier to deep dive on Haku's eh?

hmmm

[T-Force]

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This is just a weird way to think to me. Storn's D0 was shit, when is Storn's D0 ever not shit?? to the point where it became a site-wide meme?

Does Force of all people want to extend D0 meme shenanigans into D1?? idk

Does that make it not worth at least digging into?

[T-Force]

Re: TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

easier to deep dive on Haku's eh?

hmmm

Postcount and content both lend itself to being easier to do Haku.
Don't get me wrong. I have Lewdy's posts open, and I'm gonna do it, I'm just not expecting as much.

[FreezinIce]

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@tforce not necessarily but i do want some answers and to get them that requires pressure.

I guess if he completely blows me off then id pretty much have to lock my vote for him

[FreezinIce]

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I have a few meta reads brewing but ill keep a lid on them for now, they seem promising though

[storn42]

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This is just a weird way to think to me. Storn's D0 was shit, when is Storn's D0 ever not shit?? to the point where it became a site-wide meme?

amusingly i think my best D0's have generally been when i was wolfing lol.

good example being that sunfan quote in my sig a believe it was twg 192.

[T-Force]

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Actually let me go revisit this for a second...This kinda feels a bit towny, if we're getting shit serious right now

Re: Raeko (specifically saying "hahahaha Haku please never change, I love you so much"

This is actually so on par for Storn that it hurts.

There's ALSO the issue that you're bringing up PRs this early into the game that I find slightly concerning

Re: Hatred

I am slowly putting together a reads list at the moment but sure

I liked the spat between you and H&H. That's the biggest thing that's happened so far all game long and it helped me read H&H a bit better as a result.

It took over 50 posts of Lewdy's to finally get something.

Let me at least get some small reads so far going just to toss my hat in the ring:

1. Bugkid. I'm going to say town lean for the time being. They had a stroke and forgot the game started, which is fine and I l
2. Raeko- I generally have a good read on Rae when she's town and right now I see town Raeko.
3. HateandHatred I cannot read this man if you put a gun to my head. There was that little bit about innocent child that left a sour taste in my mouth which caused me to get a bit weirded out...Then I caught up and saw him in the ring with Freezin which made me feel a bit better about him. I guess town lean?
4. Haku- Haku doing Haku things early into a game is generally a good thing from the time that I've been playing here. I feel pretty okay with a town lean for now. We'll see if he starts to implode, though.
5. Freezin- Arguably my top town for the reason of generating content like a workhorse. I don't think I've ever seen Freezin play like this before and I doubt a wolf would be able to fabricate so much for an extended period of time.
6. Storn- Why is it every time I play a game with you I cannot help but wolf read you...and every time I do I'm wrong about it...I have absolutely nothing here so I'm gonna put you at a null position for now
7. star-crossed: Although a bit wordy, I do like what they're putting down even though it takes me a while to get through it. I'm gonna town lean for now
8. T-Force. Busy like me, but also really hasn't done much poking and prodding and I'm not sure if this concerns me yet. I'm gonna null for now to sort out my brain
9. Lewdy- I am Lewdy.

Oh praise be!
Colour-coding this to make it easier.

No wolf reads at this point, but he's got a town circle, and a null circle.

Continuing on.

I mean...There's Storn.. and I GUESS I could have put a wolf lean there because immediately pushing H&H to l-2 isn't exactly a great start to the game less than 24 hours in

However like I mentioned with his read... I'm almost ALWAYS wrong with him whenever I do so felt safer in my brain to set him as null and see how he does with EOD tonight

Raeko points out no wolf-leans in the list.

You know it's really funny, I was actually walking that line and brain was like "Let's wait and see how this plays out"

I'll take the advice and tentatively lean him as wolf while I'm on a course correction here

Freezin also points this out and Lewdy puts his bet in on Storn.

Up until now? Memeing around.

His thoughts on me. For the record, I take offense to that. I hadn't memed at that point until the Tap the Sign post, and even then, that wasn't full meme.

There MIGHT be a wolf there? Is the only way I could answer that question, which is probably sinking me a bit deeper than I'd like. I have no way of knowing that!. I'm just letting him know that I KNOW what my role is with that statement and it's not the role we're looking for as town.

@ star asking if Lewdy thought his wagon had wolves on it.

I like star's interaction and the question feels genuine, especially knowing Lewdy's town. Like I don't see a wolf almost like.. taunting? a town by asking that kind of question.
Votes on Lewdy at this time were: myself, and Haku.



Anyway, thankfully Lewdy had a full reads list at this point.
Both confirmed towns at this point townread Freezin, Hatred, and bug, star a bit less.

Raeko and I are mixed, and storn is the only one on the bottom for both.

[T-Force]

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Raeko looks good in her interaction with Lewdy, and Freezin. It may be low-hanging fruit, but pointing out a lack of wolf reads in the reads list is ultimately towny.
I've already mentioned star in my Lewdy dive, so I like having this as a town circle to build around.