TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

I'm not worried about losing this game, I'm confident that I have no control over how I will win or lose this game.

Sigh. Well, at least you're consistent in your fatalism.

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

Also here's my anti-phantom symbolic D1 gutread voteless vote on Hakulyte, in the right thread this time.

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

*immediately aggros the wolves by posting a good strategy*

*loses by playing well*

This game is weird.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

I guess this is how I get rewarded for being active in this game.

Sure, whatever.

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

I guess this is how I get rewarded for being active in this game.

Sure, whatever.

That's part of where the gutread's coming from, I think. I sense considerably more investment in this game compared to what I remember from you in past games.

I wouldn't sweat it either way, though! It's just the voteless guy making a not-vote guess after one read of the thread. xD

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

I like Haku right now

Tokzic I hear ya but I think your gut is wrong

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

You should have read my previous game.

I was inactive Day 1 and I had the highest postcount in Day 3.

I'm also on vacations and I have a ton of free time compared to my first games.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

Well, I think at the rate I'm posting, solving me is going to happen sooner or later.

Probably going to sleep for now. I have nothing against anyone currently online.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

Apparently wolves CANNOT get gift roles. Which means that if you have a gift role, you are cleared survivor.

It was argued in signups thread that this is fine because it means outing your gift is against your wincon, since it makes you a nightkill target.

But that's... fine. That's great. We get 3 clears per day (except when they overlap) and wolves can only kill one person per night. I think if gift receivers claim, we maximise our chance of hitting red each day, which means more Survivors at the end of the game, which means more of us win.

I think if we mass claim gifts the wolves are absolutely fucked.

Sigh...You guys are making my post-drunk headache worse.
As I said in the signups, there's no incentive to massclaiming in this game. In TWG, utilitarianism makes sense because town victory is still victory even after death. In survivor, martyring ourselves nets no such merits. This is entirely an individualistic game. Also, fakeclaiming is a possiblity you shouldn't be neglecting. I think you'd realize this, though, given that we went through this exact conversation in signups. Honestly, more than anything, your mindless enthusiasm for "absolutely fucking" the wolves despite taking a loss makes me think that you might be one trying to get "cleared" by fakeclaiming early.

*immediately aggros the wolves by posting a good strategy*

*loses by playing well*

This game is weird.

Uh huh. So you do realize that you're "playing" for a loss. Trying to go the deep wolf route, Tokzic?

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

ShadoWolfe, explain me how "playing your way" is going to increase your chances of being alive at the end of the game.

There's no Cop to hide, there's no bs to protect.

Optimally speaking, you just want to win as fast as possible to avoid being a victim of "collateral damage" @ NKs.

I'm pretty sure every Survivor will agree that they want to win as fast as possible before they see their name appear when the next Day starts.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

being a victim of "collateral damage" @ NKs.

This is where fatalism gets annoying.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

oh cmon, just because I act in a fatalistic way doesn't mean I won't change my mind later on when there's a reason to care.

I just feel like it's the most interesting thing to do "right now".

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

You're still thinking of it in terms of having no control over what'll happen to you, so the utilitarian approach of maximizing survivors appeals to you because it increases your "odds" of surviving.

NKs aren't "collateral damage". Wolves generally target the strongest townreads (unless they suspect a PR) to hide among the remaining black sheep. Know how to avoid being NKed? Become a black sheep. Not black enough to get lynched, hopefully, but still black. The two games of survivor I've played (epicmaf) were both won by my wolfreads, who ended up winning as survivors after most other survivors had been mislynched or nightkilled. I was actually mislynched D2 in one of em because I seemed "too town" for survivor.

The things that happen in this game happen because you make them so, not because they were going to happen anyways and you're just collateral damage.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

I still think I'm right.

Sorry for being dense.

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLVIII: Game Thread - Survivor Valais

I agree with what you say, but I still don't see the point.