I wasn't done with atheism/theism

[Frank Munoz]

Re: I wasn't done with atheism/theism

I believe in Hatsune Miku. I believe in Miku's word because it was sung in her songs.

[JJTrixX]

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What you have listed are reasons to believe in God, which is highly insufficient to what Reincarnate asked as they do not regard the integrity of the Bible itself. To reiterate the question for better understanding: How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?

The Bible contains Gods spoken word. The reason is because God can not lie nor change his mind. Men lie. Men change ther minds.

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" Numbers 23:19

If God lied, then I guess the Bible would not be credible. So I challenge you to find me one lie within the Bible. Good luck

The stories in the Bible are historical fact, not myths. If you can "prove to me" otherwise then you would have done something that atheists such as yourselves were not able to do for thousands of years. No theories, no excuses.

[Jake Ferguson]

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Men wrote the bible through the "word of god". Men lie. (clap)

[dAnceguy117]

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You say that some people choose not to believe in God. Would you say that these people choose not to find a reason to believe in God?

Yes. If I and thousands of others can find a reason to believe in God, so can you. You choose not to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

1. The Bible was written by divine inspiration:

2Tim.3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God
1Thes.2:13 Ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God
Heb.1:1 God...spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets
2Pet.1:21 Men of God spake as they were moved by Holy Ghost

I believe in God. I believe in Gods word because it is so written in the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

If God lied, then I guess the Bible would not be credible. So I challenge you to find me one lie within the Bible. Good luck

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

This thread is in the Critical Thinking forum. Arguments based on logical fallacies do not have merit.

[Reincarnate]

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Doesn't matter, the Bible's full of stuff that's demonstrably false.
And almost nobody follows it literally -- they have to pick and choose what to follow. Kind of odd considering it's the Word of God and all...

[Crazyjayde]

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Who is Punished for Sins?

Ezekiel 18:20: The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
-> The penalty of sin is placed upon only the sinner, not the offspring.

Exodus 20:5: I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
-> The penalty of sin affects generations.

If the Bible is truly the words of God as you say so, whether he decides to bear the sins of the father upon the son or not, he would lie either way.
We've come to a loophole in the christian doctrine.

[d4u7211]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

This thread is in the Critical Thinking forum. Arguments based on logical fallacies do not have merit.

ilu <3

[Crazyjayde]

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What makes me happy is the idea to reflect on my beliefs and discuss of the perceptions of the others. If that's not in your taste you have no obligation coming here and telling all of us we're a bunch of pricks for doing so and that we're all going to die eventually. I don't even think this thread was evolving half as bad as the last one. You can just pass if you are offended with people discussing their opinions, we can live with that.

[ELRayford]

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"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything." -GB Shaw

Nothing has bred as much intolerance towards our fellow man as religion has. So much death and persecution has been done in the name of religion, and it's still happening.
If we are to succeed, we need to work with our fellow man and focus on fixing what is immediately important, the tangible realm of existence you and I currently reside in, not what may or may not happen in the unproven afterlife.

We need to do away with these intolerant beliefs which are holding us back, and be united not as christians or muslims or jews etc, but as the human race so that we truly explore the vastness and beauty of space, both inner and outer.

There is no need for religion, a person can live a full and rewarding life without any faith. Almost every aspect of human interaction that is claimed to come from religion is as easily and more properly attributed to instinctive survival social interactions that we share with animals. The concern that "yol'll go to hell if you don't belive" is not supported by any reputable evidence.

[qqwref]

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If God lied, then I guess the Bible would not be credible. So I challenge you to find me one lie within the Bible. Good luck

I will be happy to link you to sites that show places in the Bible where something is stated unambiguously, and then the exact opposite is stated unambiguously somewhere else. There are even situations in which a number's value is given very differently in different places. Would you not agree that, if two statements directly contradict each other, one must be incorrect?

The stories in the Bible are historical fact, not myths.

Haha oh wow, you're one of THOSE, huh?

[RB_Spirit]

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"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything." -GB Shaw

Nothing has bred as much intolerance towards our fellow man as religion has. So much death and persecution has been done in the name of religion, and it's still happening.
If we are to succeed, we need to work with our fellow man and focus on fixing what is immediately important, the tangible realm of existence you and I currently reside in, not what may or may not happen in the unproven afterlife.

We need to do away with these intolerant beliefs which are holding us back, and be united not as christians or muslims or jews etc, but as the human race so that we truly explore the vastness and beauty of space, both inner and outer.

There is no need for religion, a person can live a full and rewarding life without any faith. Almost every aspect of human interaction that is claimed to come from religion is as easily and more properly attributed to instinctive survival social interactions that we share with animals. The concern that "yol'll go to hell if you don't belive" is not supported by any reputable evidence.

Neither is evolution IMO, MSM and popular science isn't the only place for logical resources(heh as if, why did i say logical)

[Crazyjayde]

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Reflecting your own beliefs is one thing, but stating how corrupt/insufficient anothers belief is, is downright ignorant.

Like Mollochepalus said, I think you've got the wrong idea. This discussion has started a while back and has now reached a point where it has been pinned down to its most fundamental issues. It's pretty clear that if you're getting it out of context you might think it's aggressive to point the flaws of each other argumentation but it's necessary to arising a good discussion. We're not being rude since we know that at the end of the day, we'll stick probably still stick to our opinion. At least we generate reflection for viewers and participants.

As of me, I think religion serves a purpose of faith and moral (reassurance in death) solely and should not be taken as a way of thinking. Either way, there is no evidence in the Bible that says how to use it correctly and it certainly doesn’t say anywhere if it has to be the only component of our faith.

[JJTrixX]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

This thread is in the Critical Thinking forum. Arguments based on logical fallacies do not have merit.

Maybe you are too focused on why I can't prove God exists to you rather than trying to understand why God exists.

My responses are not for the purpose to prove anything to you. I can not prove why God exists to you. Only God can prove to you why he exists. I can only share with you the knowledge that was given to me through God. You can either choose to accept it or not. That's your choice.

How can you learn anything if you are not willing to accept anything? When you are in grade school, or high school, or college, do you not sit and listen to the information that your teacher/professor shares with you? How do you expect to pass your courses if not to study the material that is to be given during a test or exam?

The reality is this: you are choosing which bits of information you are willing to accept rather than keeping an open mind as to the possibilites of what information or knowledge is out there that you currently do not know. Just like now, you do not know God, but if you truly wanted to know God, why spend your time disproving him instead of accepting the "word" that is given to you? When you want to pass a math test, do you not try to understand the material given by taking notes or mentally storing it, or do you spend your time constantly arguing with your math professor as to why such an equation came to be; one who is trying to teach the class the material so that they may learn? Most of you who ask me about God don't want to know about God, so you will not understand. Just like those of you who do not want to pass a math test, will not study or will not pay attention in class, so you will not understand all of it and most likely not do well on the test.

If your central focus is to argue or dispute everything you don't understand, then frankly, you don't understand life. This only makes you horrible listeners and eventually miserable people, even though you won't openly admit it. do any of you hope to get married one day and start a family? What do you think marriage is? What is marriage based on? Do you think you can honestly say you can manage a beautiful loving family if you're constanly arguing with them over petty things that are unnecessary to argue about to begin with? Is it not better to just forgive the mistakes that occur and continue to love instead of always blaming people for their actions? Why be a hypocrite?

You have to surrender your ego and pride and admit that you do not know everything, and must respect the fact that there is an ultimate authority that is greater than you and I.

I know when some of you respond to posts like these are quick to mock or dismiss certain claims, but have you ever really taken the time to think about the reason why you do this? Are you really content with being this way? There is so much all of you can learn if only you opened your hearts as well as your minds, not because I said so, but because there is something greater then yourselves. A lot of you demand proof and evidence and are quick to want and want and want more. Why be so concerned with what you want? Is that not selfish? When you live amongst a collection of people who constantly want soo much for their own-selves, does that not bring about chaos?

Why waste your time arguing and fighting and always trying to find a reason to prove something wrong when you can spend that time loving your family and friends as you would wish for them to love you? Don't divide yourselves from each other and think you can do everything yourself. You can't. The very foundation of a functioning society is based on the collaboration of multiple familes, not just your own.

I continue to post in this thread despite all the disrespectful trolls because if I can shed some light on just 1 person reading through this thread, then I would have done my job in helping a fellow brother or sister.

[rushyrulz]

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The stories in the Bible are historical fact, not myths.

Oh my God. (sorry for breaking the 3rd commandment jk not rly)

[noname219]

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How can you learn anything if you are not willing to accept anything? When you are in grade school, or high school, or college, do you not sit and listen to the information that your teacher/professor shares with you? How do you expect to pass your courses if not to study the material that is to be given during a test or exam?

You can learn stuff without accepting the fundamentals of it. You can learn about the Bible or evolution for exemple without accepting that they are true.