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**One Winged Angel** · 09-9-2011, 10:01 PM

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If we're honestly going to be putting songs more difficult than RATO in-game, RATO'll go down to 95 and the rest of the numbers can be adjusted accordingly

**rushyrulz** · 09-9-2011, 10:17 PM

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speaking of coactive over my shoulder mix, I'm starving for some support tokens. Anyone know anything about when they'll be released?

**Poptronix** · 09-9-2011, 10:59 PM

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o sick then I got one of the hardest FMOs as my ONI GETTTTTTT

;] I'm proud

**ic0slay3r** · 09-9-2011, 11:39 PM

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Will more difficulties be added after organizing this list?

**qqwref** · 09-10-2011, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by jimerax

By this comment I don't see why you're against my idea and what you want to do on this ("natural based" can be explained). Like current difficulties, if some difficulty range is pretty sparse and the other is pretty dense, they can be fixed, if not perfectly even (sry I still think this is one of the most important things when we re-do difficulties).

I dunno, I guess it feels a bit weird to be compressing the lower level difficulties when those matter most for people who are learning to play the game. (IMO the upper level difficulties kind of don't matter, because a good player will get a feel for what they can get on the chart and what rank that is anyway.) It would be nice to have an open-ended scale where we can keep the lower-level difficulties but increase the spread of the higher level songs a bit too.

Originally posted by rushyrulz

speaking of coactive over my shoulder mix, I'm starving for some support tokens. Anyone know anything about when they'll be released?

There are no plans to release them. All the admins are busy doing other stuff IIRC.

**Xayphon** · 09-10-2011, 05:51 AM

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I like where this is going

Thanks for all the effort guys -

**yo man im awesome** · 09-10-2011, 08:30 AM

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I think you should switch Mario Minor with 4 Chord, and bring either Big Blue or Momentary Life up and bring Toxiferous Dystopia down. Those jacks are nothing special, they're pretty much the same as PCS or Op. 10.

**stavie33** · 09-14-2011, 01:28 AM

This seems way off, I can't believe you have some of those songs anywhere near where you put them, it's ridiculous. I'm going to revise it and ask for comparison opinions, because some of those placements just seem way off, regardless of bias.

I'm going to bold the ridiculous ones and tell you the number I think they should be in:

Next post I'm making the list with my opinionated corrections, as I feel this seems randomly tossed together, idk OWA, you are a better player than me, and probably better at rating songs, but this feels nuts out of wack.

Here is my list:

78

Heavenly Spores
Going On Spring Wind
Novo Mundo
Choprite
Puzzle
Arrogant Cobbler
Kanon Medley ~Metal Wings~
Disconnected Hardkore
Epidermis
300

79

Thrash
JULIAN
I’m Sick of Uprock
Clockwork
Midnight Dragon
Battle Theme #37
Grocery Escape Plan
Largiloquent Dithyramb
Black Key Etude
Lawn Wake I
Melonman’s OP
PianoCore
Jeanie and Caroline
Hajnal

80

Rottel-da-station
Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star (this song has never been that hard, check AAA count)
Variations 2
Summer Time Perfume
Strangeprogram
Blue-Violet
Op.10 No.9
Floating Hour
Church Bells
Minute Waltz v2
World Tour 2004

81

Staring at my Spaceship
The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy]
Radio Heads
Nanairopanda v2
Scythe of 13
INFINITY Hyperspace
Marisa Stole The Precious Thing
Dance and Zeal
Club
JULIA
Distorted God

82

Document 13b
Over the Ocean
Yorukumoryuu Yamikaze
Overdrive
Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran!
Night and Day
Gaussian Blur
Starwolf
Cinnamon Roll
BB Evolution

83

Master Maid
Aim Burst
Famicom Selecta
Kyrie
Dendrite v2
AIM Anthem
October
Brandish Headless
Perfect Cherry Storm
Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival

84

Otaku Speedvibe [Oni]
Flight of the Bumblebee
RunnyMorning (SGX Mix)
Piano Etude (Demon Fire)
Dead and Direct
Caprice
3020
Mario Minor
Bloodmeat [Heavy]

85

Hellhounds On My Trail
Blindfolds Aside
Of course you Need and…NEED ME
4 Chord Touhou
bmv.578
Big Blue
Momentary Life
Silly Symphony
BB Revenge
Flesvelka

86

Toxiferous Dystopia
Skeletor
Eradication
Ripoff
Piano Concerto 1 ‘ANTI-ARES’ (For Kirby)
Piano Etude (Gymnastics)
He’s A Radical Rat

I feel this is a much more accurate list, with around 10 songs per difficulty. It seems to flow more logically too, I have no idea how songs like World Tour and Staring at my Spaceship were above PCS

Originally posted by One Winged Angel

Aite kids, ordered the most difficult files in the game (in b4 subjective shitstorm)

I put a lot of thought into this and tried to be as objective as possible (trying to analyze how specific patterns/length/tps/etc. truly affected the difficulty of each file) but obviously there's still gonna be some discrepancy~

Also, each time I run down the list, I see a few songs that I think should probably be switched around...but hey, that's why I'm posting this here (and I think I got it kinda close)

Anyways, here:

Didn't add numbers yet either since the gap between a file like Revo and DP is pretty massive, yet they're only four songs apart on my list

Also in b4 everyone bitches about how far down Blue Rose is

And lmfao throw Crowdpleaser wherever the **** you guys want because I honestly have no idea where to put it

working on FMOs now~

This also feels way off to what I'd think the general players would feel. La Camp is way too low, and I don't know anyone who thinks Blue Rose is harder than 11Eleven. Obejectively, I'd like to hear how Blue Rose and 12 Bar are higher than Kidney Stone, one of the standard high FGO starting points, and how Einstein Rosen Bridge is easier than Integraation. Both have few hardparts, Bridge has more and they are way harder. The higher I get in the list the weirder it gets. What justifies Planet Karma, a previously considered 85, so unbelievably high above 87 and 88's in difficulty (above Necropotence and Hardkore wut?). Pattern wise, all this makes less sense to me as songs with the same patterns but way harder are listed easier than their simpler counterparts. I'll redo this list tomorrow as well, as I feel it needs major fixing. I'm curious to people's opinions on both lists.

My fix would be:

**qqwref** · 09-14-2011, 09:55 AM

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stavie, do you not understand the concept of opinions? It seems like every time someone disagrees with you, even on a completely minor point like one difficulty point on a 1-99 scale, you say their idea is "ridiculous" or "way too low/high" and that you "have no idea" how they had their opinion. I mean, come ON.

**psychoangel691** · 09-14-2011, 10:03 AM

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I am still going to go through and do a re-rate on all, just been busy with a few other things lately. I'll try to get AJ to team up with me later on this when he gets home cause it's nice to have someone else to bounce it off of for opinion.

**One Winged Angel** · 09-14-2011, 10:38 AM

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I didn't order the songs in terms of easiest to hardest under each difficulty number, they were just collectively grouped as that specific difficulty (in response to you asking things like why Epidermis is easier than Puzzle or Choprite)

As for everything else, lol again, at no point in time did I say the list was perfect (I referred to it as a frame to start with), and obviously everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but the fact that you're basically calling me retarded for having some songs ONE POINT OFF FROM WHERE YOU WOULD PUT THEM is pretty hilarious

p.s. I'd like to add that I strongly disagree with some of your corrections (not all of them), but stuff like 4CT being more difficult than October is lol (I believe even in the last official, October was the round song after 4CT, and people scored noticeably worse on it)

Please don't tell me the majority of your corrections were based on how well you could play the file, because if I were to do the same, stuff like Skeletor, FotBB, AIM, Of Course, Kyrie, and bmv would be thrown into my personal 78/79, and files like Mario Minor, Caprice, WT, and Dendrite v2 would be thrown in my 86/87, and I know for a fact that none of that is even remotely accurate as to what the true difficulties are

**rushyrulz** · 09-14-2011, 11:16 AM

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stavie, I disagree with the placement of one song on your list, therefore your entire list is completely ridiculous and I have no idea how someone could possibly make such a novice mistake.
/logic

+ LMFAO! There's difficulty conflict WITHIN a difficulty WITHIN ANOTHER, more specific difficulty. I don't think the difficulty system will ever be fully 'bitching free.' Especially when someone is complaining about the placements of difficulties on a 1-100 scale within a single number rofl

**igotrhythm** · 09-14-2011, 11:25 AM

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I think there's two problems going on here at once:

1) This is a relative difficulty scale, not an absolute one, therefore there's no need to have a few numbers in between vrofl and RATO.

2) No matter which way people slice it, there will always be those that take offense to the particulars by virtue of their own opinions, skill sets and experiences (and you know who you are

). Keep in mind that we're trying to place over 1000 songs into 100 difficulty categories, and you can plainly see that there's going to be some overlap. And when there's overlap, there will inevitably be subjectivity. Heck, I don't think we've even worked out what criteria we're judging the files on. At least AAA/FC difficulty can be objectively gauged as a function of number of AAAs/FC scores vs. number of people who've played the file, but even this seemingly objective figure can be deceptive in the case of highly popular but difficult songs. (I'm looking at you, CIA Rave.

)

**rushyrulz** · 09-14-2011, 11:31 AM

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As long as there's some kind of acknowledgement that each difficulty (except maybe like 1-3) can be split up into at least 3 difficulty groups, I'm fine.

But no srsly, there's no way we're going to get over 1000 public songs and have some hope of placing them correctly on a 1-13 scale, so as long as we're making some kind of progress, I'm happy to see it.

**stavie33** · 09-14-2011, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by One Winged Angel

Please don't tell me the majority of your corrections were based on how well you could play the file, because if I were to do the same, stuff like Skeletor, FotBB, AIM, Of Course, Kyrie, and bmv would be thrown into my personal 78/79, and files like Mario Minor, Caprice, WT, and Dendrite v2 would be thrown in my 86/87, and I know for a fact that none of that is even remotely accurate as to what the true difficulties are

None were based on how well I can play the file, if so, I'd have felsvelka in like the 80 range (I think the file is really easy). I based this strictly off patterns. I have no idea how 4 chord could possibly be easier than October. October has 3-4 note bursts at moderate BPM until you get into the burst mania at the end, which doesn't last that long and is in 6 spots max. 4 Chord has intricate jumpstream at a faster BPM with 24 bursts literred throughout that lasts a long time and drains tons of stamina, not to mention the jacky trills and occasional polyrhythms. The beginning is also pretty rough with strange burst patterns and odd jump stream. It's a longer song, way more stamina draining, with equally rough patterns that require more stamina and overall, more speed (you can jump nearly all the bursts and AAA October once you figure out the patterns).

Originally posted by qqwref

stavie, do you not understand the concept of opinions? It seems like every time someone disagrees with you, even on a completely minor point like one difficulty point on a 1-99 scale, you say their idea is "ridiculous" or "way too low/high" and that you "have no idea" how they had their opinion. I mean, come ON.

I agree with most of his opinions but somethings I thought were just downright crazy. This was before I read his was not based on his own ability, because for a while with a list like that I thought it was based less around patterns and more around what he was good and bad at. Most things I agree'd with, as you saw, I had like 10 issues out of around 100 songs, that's not bad. However, some I thought were like someone telling me Power is a 5 difficulty, I really thought some of these were that outlandish. Clockwork for example being that high, and World Tour 2004. World Tour is a VC for all extensive purposes, but it's sooo long and has enough technical 74-75 VC parts that it gets bumped up to mid FMO because of the consistent accuracy it requires. However pattern wise, it is in no way harder than say Kyrie or Perfect Cherry Storm.

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