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  • robertsona
    missa in h-moll
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Dec 2006
    • 3997

    #1

    How To PR: The Thread

    This might seem a little egotistical, but it's a reason that many files are rejected from FFR, and a lot of people are asking about it. The one I posted in Queue/Batch will probably be flooded with other posts in a few days, and I want this to be seen.

    HOW TO PR: AWESOME GUIDE
    What PR is:
    PR stands for Pitch Relevancy. It is probably the next step you should take in stepping after you learn getting melodies and rhythms down. Pitch relevancy is basically the act of stepping with relevance to the pitch of the song.
    Basics:
    The basics of PR say that the lower notes in a song should be stepped "lower" in the steps (e.x. left and down), and the higher notes should be stepped as higher steps (e.x. up and right). The pitch relevance of the up arrow and the down arrow could be debated, but it is generally agreed upon that, from lowest to highest, the order of pitch relevance is left, down, up, right. However, the most important thing to remember is that the left note is the lowest, and the right note is the highest.
    Jacks:
    "Jacks" (the same note repeated) should go to, obviously, the same note in the song being repeated (e.x. if the main instrument is playing, say, the A note over and over in 16th notes, you should step it as one of the notes repeating sixteenth notes (e.x. right-right-right-right-right or left-left-left-left-left)).
    Scales:
    There are twelve notes in any octave and four notes on the step editor. If there was a scale being played from low to high, you would most probably start at a left note and go up from there (e.x. left, down, up, right). If the scale keeps going after four notes, you start from the beginning again with a left note, and go up again.
    PR in General Cases:
    Let's use a random case for a song you may be stepping: if the song starts on an A note, and goes down to a C, you could do many things:
    1. Step the A as a right and then the C as either an up, a down, or a left.
    2. Step the A as an up and then the C as either a down or a left.
    3. Step the A as a down and then the C as a left.
    As you see, you cannot step the C as anything higher than the A, because it does not correspond in a musical sense.
    However, let's say the song, after the A and the C, then plays a G, in between the A and the C, in the musical sense. The third possibility we examined could not happen, because there is nothing in between a down note and a left note, in the stepping sense. So the only two possibilities now are:
    1. Step the A as a right and then the C as either a down or a left. If you stepped the C as a down, you should step the G as an up (up is between down and right in the stepping sense). If you stepped the C as a left, you could step the G as either an up or a down (both of those are between a right and a left in the stepping sense).
    2. Step the A as an up, the C as a left, and the G as a down.
    Jumps and Layering In PR:
    With jumps, there are six possibilities rather than four, giving you more possibilities than with single arrows. This comes to your advantage when stepping chords. However, this changes if the jumps are used for layering. For example, if there is a bass drum and a note playing at the same time, and you step both, and you decide to step the bass drum as a left, you only have three possibilities for the note (down, up, and right), because the left is already "taken up" by the bass drum. This is also true for stepping two melodies at the same time. If you are stepping two melodies at the same time that both require PR, you should probably try stepping them one at a time, and then "adding on" the other melody. However, sometimes this results in both of them requiring a left note, or a down note, or any note, both at the same time, which is impossible. This comes to your disadvantage when stepping, and often requires you to "sacrifice" your PR for correct layering. You should almost always choose consistent layering over consistent PR, because PR has less of an effect, especially when it is for a short amount that the PR is "sacrificed".
    PR in Difficult Sections:
    PR in fast sections (e.x. ones with fast notes whose point on the stepping scale can't be pinpointed at normal speed) should be handled identically to rhythms in fast sections: slow down the song. While PR is not something many players pay attention to in sections with fast notes like 32nds, it should still be used for flow and feeling right. However, if utilizing PR in these sections ends in awkward patterns and/or jacks, you can "tweak" the PR to make it flow better. To slow down the song in the editor, go to the editor main menu, go to Song Options, go to Rate, and slow down the song to any comfortable speed. 0.3x rate is the slowest possible, but may be too slow for some songs, and end in choppiness. After that, use the general rules of PR to place your notes. Before you do anything related to PR in these sections, make sure you have the rhythms right (slowing down the rate will also help you with this).
    Pattern Relevancy:
    Pattern Relevancy is the nontonal version of pitch relevance (pitch relevance for something that doesn't have pitches (e.x. drums)). For example, even if you were stepping only drums in a song, it might feel awkward if one second the bass drum was stepped as a right note, and another second it was stepped as a left. You should try to step the same sounds as the same notes most of the time (e.x. the bass drum as a left, the snare as an up). If there do happen to be notes that are "higher" than others in your song, then try to step those with the normal rules of pitch relevancy.
    Kommisar Corner:
    Kommisar on Using Variation in Scales:
    c0n5p1r4cy0f0n3 (10:02:01 PM): when the melody goes octaves higher, you don't need to strictly follow left to right patterns. You can vary them to make it more interesting. Let's say for example you have 8 notes climbing the scale. you could go left up down right left right down up. as long as they progress to higher notes (meaning higher from left to right) you're technically following pitch relevancy
    Example Image:


    As you can see, while the 8th stream technically changes, it is still descending, adding variety.

    Anyone who has suggestions or tips, please say so!
    Last edited by robertsona; 03-1-2009, 03:28 PM.
  • buizel8888
    FFR Player
    • Mar 2008
    • 1536

    #2
    Re: How To PR: The Thread

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    • Ziergdsx18
      ℜ1 ステップチャート 著者
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Nov 2007
      • 2800

      #3
      Re: How To PR: The Thread

      This is very helpful thanks. ^-^


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      • justin_ator
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        • Mar 2007
        • 7648

        #4
        Re: How To PR: The Thread

        Nice little guide there, makes sense! In the last line of the body you forgot the second ).

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        • tofurox
          Them arrows.
          • May 2006
          • 2263

          #5
          Re: How To PR: The Thread

          Ironically I was thinking about this earlier today, and WHACHA you made a guide.

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          • -zeroSKILL-
            Fuc Da Police
            • Jul 2008
            • 1860

            #6
            Re: How To PR: The Thread

            Nice guide, actually gave me a little insight. Now to edit the file I made, and maybe one day pass it out to the public and submit it to the database >_>
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            • Coolboyrulez0
              VICES
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Aug 2006
              • 10042

              #7
              Re: How To PR: The Thread

              PR
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              • kommisar[os]
                Banned
                • Apr 2006
                • 4097

                #8
                Re: How To PR: The Thread

                these are pretty basic steps for PR. I mean in a nutshell it's not rocket science.


                there are more complex PR techniques also once you get good at it.

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                • who_cares973
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 15407

                  #9
                  Re: How To PR: The Thread

                  kommi, you should make a video

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                  • robertsona
                    missa in h-moll
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3997

                    #10
                    Re: How To PR: The Thread

                    i want to make a video.

                    i might

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                    • bmah
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                      • Oct 2003
                      • 8448

                      #11
                      Re: How To PR: The Thread

                      Nice job robertsona. PR is rather subjective, but you've made a good general outline. I mean, four arrows to illustrate the melody of a song can only go so far, and the ways to get around this shortcoming is where there can be a lot of subjectivity.

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                      • kommisar[os]
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 4097

                        #12
                        Re: How To PR: The Thread

                        the image description i gave is for descending pr just so the explanation and example don't get mixed up

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                        • Patashu
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 8609

                          #13
                          Re: How To PR: The Thread

                          pr fundamentals in one paragraph:
                          Rule Zero: Any of these rules can be violated for portions in the music that are too far apart, or if the columns need to be reused, or if the note patterns need to be changed up to add variety/allow other instruments to fit in properly, but if it is viable to follow these rules do so.
                          1. Same musical pitches should use the same column (when possible)
                          2. Same musical patterns should use the same step patterns (when possible)
                          3. Musical patterns that are ascending should go from left to right; descending, right to left (when possible)
                          4. When all else fails, step it for solo
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                          • robertsona
                            missa in h-moll
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 3997

                            #14
                            Re: How To PR: The Thread

                            not indepth=gay

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                            • Patashu
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 8609

                              #15
                              Re: How To PR: The Thread

                              babby's first pitch relevancy
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