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Oh stargroup please dont **** up this thread. I'm making a decent suggestion here, not trying to stage an e-coup or something :/

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it's not about "supreme power"... it's about the fact that i'm the one who does have final say in all this. i'm the one who coordinates all this and keeps it running. and i'm the one who adds everything to the game. and i'm the one who got this to where it is today.

if i really wanted supreme power, i'd be the only judge and not listen to ANYTHING anyone else had to say. or i'd just accept every file submitted without testing (like in the old days). but i understand that i'm not a technical judge, at all. that i'm not a great stepfile author. that's WHY i value the opinions and judging of others, whoever it's been over the years. it's why MOST of my commentary in terms of rejecting files is "what so-and-so said"... because i'm agreeing with their assessment, not making my own.

Also, i can guarantee that adding more judges would NOT streamline the process... you'll notice that there is basically no lag from me. Everything is sent to me so that it's uniform, batch closes and I have everything all ready to go to blu and jx. Then it's on them to judge everything. They got stuff back to me, and within 24 hours the notes were posted (would have been same day on any day but Wednesday). And, if you look back on things, this is how it's always been.

Even with 5 judges, I'd still have final and ultimate say on things.

And, while you are making a valid suggestion... it is still born out of the fact that I rejected one of your song choices for stepping. NOTHING to do with judging at all. And that would not change if there were 30 judges who all accepted a file.

Now, I have to go to shabbat dinner... i'll be back in a few hours.

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This is wrong. This is a highly egotistical attitude reminiscient of some of the things stargroup said, and I'm not going to buy any of it.
In case you needed reminding, you are not the be-all and end-all of this site, you were adminned by ACCIDENT and weren't even supposed to have dB access. There a lot of other people who do a ton of things for this site. Without the stepauthors, the game would be nothing. Without the coders, the game would be nothing. Without the help of syncing people like Rebirth, or people like Shash who re-noteskin files, the game would be much, much worse. A lazy CEO of a big operation often blames him or herself for all the progress, whereas in cases such as this, nearly all of the kudos are due to the "underlings." To take credit for all the good that has happened to the game is a folly you make often, and it is WRONG.

That said.

In case you didn't notice, without you in the system, that would have been one day less waiting. People aren't retarded Tass. Other judges can download the files off a central location for themselves. Other judges can post their own notes on their own. With dB access, other (well respected and carefully chose, mind you) people could even add the files and make the news posts! It's not a case of too many cooks spoiling the soup, it's a case of sorely needing more cooks in the first place.


Which is precisely why your "final say" isn't nessecary, and would be even less nessecary with more judges.

Another egocentric and very incorrect assumtion. I'm done with that file, I might submit it to a pack though.
Basically, I've been thinking about the judging system and how to improve it ever since Shash was a judge. I've been meaning to make this thread for a while, because legitimate discussion about the judging system gets lost so easily in the queue discussion thread.
That you assume I make a thread because everything revolves around the world's interaction with you is just laughable.

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+1

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Wow hi19 has some good points Tass...
we need more judges and according to his post, you only play a role in where FFR got itself today. And wtf Tass was modded by accident?!?

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Tass was a mod when Synthlight asked him to do some database work, obviously Tass couldn't do the db work while in the position of mod so Synth made him an admin.

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There's nothing the users per se can do about it. But synth can, if he cares to do anything about it.
And if Tass wakes up and decides to take the high route of trying a new system, then that would work too.

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The only problem I see in this is that even with just two judges in the "first stage," one of them seems to be a few days later than the other. With 5 it'd be even more of a difference.

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How about this?:

1st runthrough: Judge 1 Judge 2 Judge 3 Judge 4

2nd runthrough: Elected user Elected user Elected user Elected user

3rd runthrough: Tass -------------------------------------------------------------


So the first "runthrough" of the batch would be four judges, being jx, blu, and 2 more judges. The 2nd runthrough would be four simfile artists on FFR that would be willing to test the files for a second time. They'd do that. The third runthrough would be tass playing the files, and looking over the notes posted by the judges and the elected users. Then he would add his own notes, and they would together (the judges, the elected members, and tass) which files deserve to be queue'd, and what files can be fixed a bit then be queued.

Thoughts..?

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lol, he's just making a suggestion, not boycotting anything...and nowhere in any of his posts did he flame Tass or deny Tass's abilities or contributions at all, only his desire to have the final say in everything aka 'supreme power', which is very apparent and very self-admitted anyway.

I'd happily agree that Tass has done ****loads for improving the site and file judging/submission process for years now, but I'd also happily agree that a rather nice thing that Tass ought to consider doing is valuing his own opinion a little less than he does, and that adding more judges--and therefore more opinions--to the current process would be a helpful thing in terms of improving overall file quality, although admittedly it could slow things down a bit.

ps jx should get full level admin access or promoted or something. that man is perfect at his job IMO.

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There would need to be a way to act if one of the judges is incredibly late. Of course any new system needs tweaking. But I believe the quality of judging and more review notes would offset the bad points of a slightly greater wait.

And tbh, 5 judges isn't really core to my proposition, it was just one method I was considering. Even if we used our current 3 judges, but made them all play the whole batch and require only a 2/3 vote to accept a file, it would work. And that would have basically the same turnover length.

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other than the 5 judges which i think is too much i agree with everything hi19 says

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stargroup: actually having 5 judges might be even faster if you do a 3/5 accepting thing
stargroup: cause right now we have jimerax blu and tass, who ALL have to accept
hi19hi19: yeah
stargroup: if 2 people get lazy
stargroup: FIRST 3 people to get batch notes in
stargroup: voila queue
hi19hi19: yup

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I was thinking the same when I read the suggestion of another member having access to the dB... I think JX would be fine at that.

And who would be willing to take on judging the queue? How many people have the experience to do so that are willing to take the responsibility?