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  • dore
    caveman pornstar
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Feb 2006
    • 6317

    #1

    "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

    So yeah, lots of people are always asking "are [insert #] bpm [insert note type] alright?" Here's some cutoff points for you. Note that any bpm in between these cutoff values will have a percentage of jacks of the two values the bpm is bounded by (e.g. 175 bpm 16th jacks will have some 3 framers and some 2 framers since 175 is between 150 and 225, the two cutoff points on either side).

    PUT SIMPLY
    The max speed you should have of 4th jacks is 450bpm
    The max speed you should have of 8th jacks is 225bpm
    The max speed you should have of 12th jacks is 150bpm
    The max speed you should have of 16th jacks is 112.5bpm
    The max speed you should have of 24th jacks is 75bpm
    etc.

    Any jacks faster than that listed above risks auto-rejection for potential 3-framers. While not all files will be rejected for potential 3-framers, most will be, so unless there is an extremely musically-relevant reason to put in a jack faster than this you will most likely have your file rejected.

    ============================
    Cutoff Values

    For 16th notes:
    90bpm = 5 framers
    112.5bpm = 4 framers
    150bpm = 3 framers
    225bpm = 2 framers
    450bpm = 1 framers
    900bpm = 0 framers

    From these values, a little simple math can help us determine everything else.

    For 4th notes:
    360bpm = 5 framers
    450bpm = 4 framers
    600bpm = 3 framers
    900bpm = 2 framers
    1800bpm = 1 framers
    3600bpm (lol) = 0 framers

    For 8th notes:
    180bpm = 5 framers
    225bpm = 4 framers
    300bpm = 3 framers
    450bpm = 2 framers
    900bpm = 1 framers
    1800bpm = 0 framers

    For 12th notes:
    120bpm = 5 framers
    150bpm = 4 framers
    200bpm = 3 framers
    300bpm = 2 framers
    600bpm = 1 framers
    1200bpm = 0 framers

    For 24th notes:
    60bpm = 5 framers
    75bpm = 4 framers
    100bpm = 3 framers
    150bpm = 2 framers
    300bpm = 1 framers
    600bpm = 0 framers

    For 32nd notes:
    45bpm = 5 framers
    56.25bpm = 4 framers
    75bpm = 3 framers
    112.5 bpm = 2 framers
    225bpm = 1 framers
    450bpm = 0 framers

    For 48th notes:
    30bpm = 5 framers
    37.5bpm = 4 framers
    50bpm = 3 framers
    75bpm = 2 framers
    150bpm = 1 framers
    300bpm = 0 framers

    For 3/32nd notes:
    135bpm = 5 framers
    168.75bpm = 4 framers
    225bpm = 3 framers
    337.5bpm = 2 framers
    675bpm = 1 framers
    1350bpm = 0 framers

    And finally, for 64ths:
    22.5bpm = 5 framers
    28.125bpm = 4 framers
    37.5bpm = 3 framers
    56.25bpm = 2 framers
    112.5bpm = 1 framers
    225bpm = 0 framers

    5-framers: No overlap at all, you will only avmiss if you hit the first arrow late. Always okay in any file.
    4-framers: The last perfect frame will be covered up. You have to hit one of the early frames to get perfects on both arrows. The only way your file will get rejected for 4-framers is if you have 8435843 in a row (like AIM Anthem).
    3-framers: 2/3 of the perfect window is covered up. You have to hit extremely early to avoid avmissing while still getting a perfect. Your file will most likely get rejected for 3-framers unless you are stepping an extremely technical classical piece of music.
    2-framers: Impossible to AAA, you must hit before the perfect window to avoid an avmiss. Your file will be rejected for 2-framers unless it is a FGO (difficulty 12/12) classical piece, and even then it might not go through. It's best to avoid them altogether.
    0/1-framers: Don't waste the judges' time.

    I hope this helps everyone.
    Last edited by dore; 12-30-2007, 11:27 PM.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw
  • brothaice
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Dec 2005
    • 2940

    #2
    Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

    Stick it.

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    • customstuff
      ♥C.S. + A.M.♥
      • Nov 2006
      • 4892

      #3
      Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

      Sticky!

      Originally posted by MrMagic5239
      Placements are final, custom will not be moved to D6, just because he is good at jacks, and mediocre at just about every other FMO in the game.
      Originally posted by customstuff
      Originally posted by MrMagic5239
      welcome to D6

      start playing

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      • DDRFREAK500
        FFR Player
        • Feb 2006
        • 206

        #4
        Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

        Sticky


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        • bluguerrilla
          FFR Player
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Apr 2006
          • 3966

          #5
          Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

          Maybe you should add a math section so people can understand exactly why this is?

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          • g4z33b0
            Banned
            • Mar 2006
            • 2618

            #6
            Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

            Great thread, dore

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            • dore
              caveman pornstar
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Feb 2006
              • 6317

              #7
              Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

              Originally posted by bluguerrilla
              Maybe you should add a math section so people can understand exactly why this is?
              Just divide whatever value you want by its corresponding 16th note value to find the multiplier (e.g. (12th note 5 framers)/(16th note 5 framers) = 120/90 = 4/3)). I'd edit this in but my edit button doesn't work on this proxy I'm currently using.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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              • Rebirth0
                FFR Originalbro
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Jun 2003
                • 8751

                #8
                Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                One problem.

                I've never heard of anyone talking about 5-framers. Tass always talks about 4-framers being in songs at around 180 bpm. (Like in K8107, he says there are some 4-framers because of 8th note jacks and that's 180 bpm 8ths)

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                • Tasselfoot
                  Retired BOSS
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 25185

                  #9
                  Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                  yes. 5 framers are safe. 180bpm chains are all 5 framers. the thing with k8107 (and any exactly 180 bpm songs) is that the gap will shift that slightly.

                  only if it is 180bpm AND 0 gap will it be all EXACTLY 5 framers. otherwise, 1 out of every 200 or so (no idea on actual, just making up numbers) will be a 4 framer. very very small percentage.

                  for the most part, 180bpm = 0 4 framers.
                  RIP

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                  • samuri#1
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 87

                    #10
                    Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                    i play on C799

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                    • jugglinguy
                      Use me as a porta-potty
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 4319

                      #11
                      Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                      Great thread dore.
                      Originally posted by Jem
                      Jem is my name. No one else is the same!

                      You're Aja Leith of the Holograms! You're very exotic, intelligent and sophisticated.

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                      • dore
                        caveman pornstar
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Music Producer
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 6317

                        #12
                        Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                        Thanks for the sticky
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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                        • Silver_Brian
                          ¯\(°_o)/¯ ¯\(o_°)/¯
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 5576

                          #13
                          Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                          Great thread, I'll probably reference this for future files.

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                          • Tayfun
                            MasterGTS
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 918

                            #14
                            Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                            nice dore.

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                            • Neonatrias
                              MAЯISA
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 919

                              #15
                              Re: "Are my Jacks Okay?!?!?!"

                              Very helpful. 11/10, would use as reference again.

                              =)

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