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  • Wilkin
    FFR Player
    • Nov 2005
    • 1800
    #1

    Twg XXXIX Postgame

    Humans win. Wolves lose.


    iggymatrixcounter - HUMAN (Killed on Night 1)
    Shashakiro - HUMAN (KitB w/ jwc on Day 1)
    Afrobean - GUARDIAN (Killed on Night 2)
    HansSky - WOLF (Lynched on Day 2)
    sertman - HUMAN (Killed on Night 3)
    lightdarkness - HUMAN (Lynched on Day 3)
    Talisman - HUMAN (Killed on Night 4)
    xObserveRx - WOLF (Insta'd on Day 4)
    vashthestampede0987/Tps222 - SEER (Killed on Night 5)
    FoJaR - HUMAN (Insta'd on Day 5)
    ImEric12 - HUMAN (Killed on Night 6)
    Kilgamayan - HUMAN (Self-insta on Day 6)
    FFR4EVA_00 - PSYCHIC (Killed on Night 7)
    StoicRoivaS - MASTER WOLF (KitB w/ Jurs on Day 7)
    JurseyRider734 - HUMAN (Killed on Night 8)
    DiscoBobbyPARANOiA - WOLF (Lynched on Day 8)
    jwcgator - HUMAN (Survived)
    nijatwo - HUMAN (Survived)


    1) I'm really happy that this game got as much attention as it did, either through entusiasm, posts, or views (the last two going far past the last couple of games), and I think we should take some more examples from past games for a little while before we get back into the MYSTERY ALL BLUE CRAZY WEE OOO WEE OOO games.

    2) If an MVP were to be named, one of my candidates would have to be Kilga. This is mainly because of his self-insta to prevent FFR from getting another phantom, as well as relaying some vital info to the other players right before he did it. If anyone has any other ideas, I'd love to hear them, as I didn't get that much from a lot pf other players.

    3) I liked Tps' play at the end of the day (I forget which one) where he went out on the limb to tell everyone the guardian was still alive (to flip a coin to decide whether to guard FFR or Tps), and I don't doubt that it gave the wolves some concern or second thoughts on their kill for the night. Very nicely executed.

    4) Here are all of the actions for the game, so you can read them in order and see the progression of everything:

    DAY ONE:

    Seer'd: Iggy
    Guarded: Hans
    Wolfed: Iggy
    Wolves: Four
    Lynched: Shash (KitB w/ jwc)


    DAY TWO:

    Seer'd: Afro
    Guarded: Vash
    Wolfed: Afro
    Wolves: Four
    Lynched: Hans


    DAY THREE:

    Seer'd: FFR4EVA_00
    Wolfed: sertman
    Wolves: Three
    Lynched: LD


    DAY FOUR:

    Seer'd: Observer
    Wolfed: Talis
    Wolves: Three
    Lynched: Observer (Insta)


    DAY FIVE:

    Seer'd: Stoic
    Wolfed: Tps
    Wolves: Two
    Lynched: Fojar (Insta)


    DAY SIX:

    Wolfed: Eric
    Wolves: Two
    Lynched: Kilga (Self-Insta)


    DAY SEVEN:

    Wolfed: FFR4EVA_00
    Wolves: Two
    Lynched: Stoic (KitB w/ Jurs)


    DAY EIGHT:

    Wolfed: Jurs
    Lynched: DBP


    Other than that... DISCUSS
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    • Kilgamayan
      Super Scooter Happy
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Feb 2003
      • 6583
      #2
      Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

      Tps and I never talked Wednesday night, and I want to hear what the hell he was thinking when he said that.

      Also I regret never pointing out that instalyinching myself meant that Stoic didn't do it, which pretty much guaranteed he was a wolf, but my loyal subjects (and a little KiB luck) came through for me regardless, so it's a moot point.
      Last edited by Kilgamayan; 12-29-2006, 10:14 PM.
      I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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        • sertman
          DADALADAH
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Jun 2005
          • 3910
          #3
          Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

          i swear the next person who says WEE OOO WEE OOO i'm going to slit their throat

          that being said, kilga is no doubt the mvp

          other thoughts

          -hans getting phantoms as a wolf. durr
          -theres no way observer was serious when he said he didn't know he was a wolf, right?
          -was nija kept alive because of all the suspicion on him earlier on in the game?
          -kilga's self-insta was epic

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            • JurseyRider734
              lil j the bad b-word
              • Aug 2003
              • 7506
              #4
              Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

              I'm boycotting TWG until they re-make jTWG again. I seriously can NOT handle the amount of stupid that some of these players possess.


              Otherwise, lol told you all about Stoic. (and the Stoic+Hans thing)
              Originally posted by Arch0wl
              I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

              Originally posted by Afrobean
              Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
              the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
              Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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                • Kilgamayan
                  Super Scooter Happy
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 6583
                  #5
                  Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                  Originally posted by sertman
                  -theres no way observer was serious when he said he didn't know he was a wolf, right?
                  Haha, nope. I talked to him about it after I died and learned he was just fooling around.

                  Originally posted by sertman
                  -was nija kept alive because of all the suspicion on him earlier on in the game?
                  nija survived so long because there was always someone more worthwhile to kill. Personally I'm surprised Jurs survived as long as she did - I figured Night 2's kill would be one of her and Afro just based on Day 1 posts and the other wouldn't be far behind.
                  I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                    • sertman
                      DADALADAH
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 3910
                      #6
                      Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                      As I was following the game after I died, it occured to me that JWC might be a wolf, because the game that he played was way different then the game he played the first time. I thought that maybe he was running his posts past someone (such as stoic) so that he cut down on all the crap he posted his first game

                      I was wrong though, but again, why did it take so long for stoic to die, especially since he was called out from day 1?

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                        • Shashakiro
                          TWO THOUZAND COMBO
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 9082
                          #7
                          Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                          Before I read what happened after Day 1, I'd like to point out that the reasoning used to lynch me (besides my vote on nija, which would have been an ok reason with me, if the other crap hadn't showed up) was some of the dumbest I'd ever seen.

                          "You haven't said anything useful!11!!"

                          No ****, it's day 1, there's nothing useful to say anyway since everything is 99.9% conjecture at that point in the game.

                          "You said "green" instead of "human", that means you're a wolf!11!!"

                          Please. Give me a freaking break. That's just plain stupidity, no offense.

                          K, now I'll actually read the game. Glad the humans won, and I'm definitely up for more classic-style games like this one instead of those crazy weirdo 83536 blue games with 3246 special events.
                          4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

                          Originally posted by Boogiebear
                          use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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                            • jwcgator
                              RIP ffrtokens
                              • May 2005
                              • 2221
                              #8
                              Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                              Originally posted by sertman
                              As I was following the game after I died, it occured to me that JWC might be a wolf, because the game that he played was way different then the game he played the first time. I thought that maybe he was running his posts past someone (such as stoic) so that he cut down on all the crap he posted his first game
                              I gotta ask, is this a good thing or a bad thing?

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                                • sertman
                                  DADALADAH
                                  FFR Simfile Author
                                  • Jun 2005
                                  • 3910
                                  #9
                                  Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                  Originally posted by jwcgator
                                  I gotta ask, is this a good thing or a bad thing?
                                  Good thing, because you played a much better game

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                                    • Kilgamayan
                                      Super Scooter Happy
                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                      • Feb 2003
                                      • 6583
                                      #10
                                      Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                      Originally posted by Shashakiro
                                      "You said "green" instead of "human", that means you're a wolf!11!!"

                                      Please. Give me a freaking break. That's just plain stupidity, no offense.
                                      If you had bothered to read FoJaR's explanation (which was better than anything I could have provided), you'd see it wasn't.

                                      And in my defense, the other two guys who said "green" were wolves.
                                      I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                                        • Shashakiro
                                          TWO THOUZAND COMBO
                                          FFR Simfile Author
                                          • Aug 2005
                                          • 9082
                                          #11
                                          Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                          I'm fairly sure only Stoic said "green" besides me.

                                          I claim that it was crap reasoning because, of course, I wasn't a wolf, and none of the things that Fojar said would be going through the head of a wolf were going through my head at all. I read what he said, and I still think it's absolutely garbage reasoning.

                                          Doesn't matter much anyway, though, since the humans won in the end.
                                          4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

                                          Originally posted by Boogiebear
                                          use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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                                            • talisman
                                              Resident Penguin
                                              FFR Simfile Author
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 4598
                                              #12
                                              Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                              Before the game even started I had this premonition that dbp was a wolf... I forcefully ignored it though, because I always think my gut is wrong even when it's right.

                                              I feel I could have done more this game if I'd been more forceful with talking to people and convincing them about my suspicions. We definitely could have had observer or stoic out much earlier. I even debated leaning on vash to seer observer early on but decided against it.

                                              Also, I was kind of surprised about getting both observer and stoic right based on their day one votes alone. Usually it's not that easy, but they happened to make absolutely CLASSIC wolf votes. And stoic completely overreacted to my vote too.

                                              The major thing that needs to be said about this game is that the blues (with the exception of afro and tps) were frankly terrible. Vash did the right thing at first but then disappeared like he always does and then starts seering defensively. FFR made a horrendously laughable mistake in first coming out to me and second coming out on the thread, after which point I was forced to sacrifice myself (getting myself wolfed) to save him for at least another night.

                                              I mean, imagine how lopsided this game would have been if tps had STARTED as the seer... I maintain like I said in the thread that the original setup is broken. The guardian I think needs to be removed for it to work.

                                              ps rofl at having a perfect voting record.

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                                                • StoicRoivaS
                                                  FFR Player
                                                  • May 2006
                                                  • 548
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                                  Luck: kitb. Luck: "pegging" me as a wolf based on honest inactivity and honest crappy D1 vote. Had I been human I guarantee I would have played the exact same game down to every detail and gotten wolfed because of it. I was busy and I am living at my gf's and I am addicted to RO, gg luck and all you people who "read" me. Skill: Nija's deciding to actually play the game instead of assume I'm a wolf based on a "change of behavior". He went to great depths to explore the possibility of DBP and I as wolves last game day and it paid off. Humans won because of it, and still almost lost thanks to kitb. Luck: Jurs having some vendetta against me ever since she blew it for us as guard and it magically paying off the one time I land wolf in a twg (master no less). Stupid and not funny: jwc. Tragedy: Shash. Props: Nija. GG everyone.

                                                  PS. Nominating nija for co-mvp. If dbp and I had been a bit less pushy in our (separate) convos with him I think we could have convinced him to vote jwc/jurs for an early game ender but we pushed a bit hard and he did his homework.
                                                  Like the moon over
                                                  the day, my genius and brawn are
                                                  wasted on these fools. ~Haiku
                                                  -Bowser

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                                                    • Kilgamayan
                                                      Super Scooter Happy
                                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                      • 6583
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                                      Originally posted by StoicRoivaS
                                                      He went to great depths to explore the possibility of DBP and I as wolves last game day and it paid off.
                                                      Largely because I told him to. I had a whole bunch of crap arranged for after my death, where nija, Jurs and jwc were to vote based on who was wolfed the next night.

                                                      Fortunately, you guys picked off FFR, who nija was more suspicious of than anyone else, so that made following my instructions all the easier for him.

                                                      EDIT:

                                                      Originally posted by Shashakiro
                                                      I'm fairly sure only Stoic said "green" besides me.
                                                      Hans did too.
                                                      Last edited by Kilgamayan; 12-30-2006, 02:47 AM.
                                                      I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                                                        • Wilkin
                                                          FFR Player
                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                          • 1800
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Twg Xxxix Postgame

                                                          I'm not sure if it was because I knew the roles or not, but I found something really off about DBP and Stoic's convo that was posted. It seemed a little too normal, and looked a little staged. Of course, this is from a slightly biased point of view.

                                                          Also, I tend to waver on the terminology between green and human as well. I know that it caused me and Kilga to be killed back in the Time Travel game, but I honestly don't see what it matters in a normal game setting. I guess human is just claiming not to be a wolf, while green is claiming not to be a blue, either?
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