Spider-Man 3

**mead1** · 05-30-2006, 04:44 AM

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I agree with the proposed plot. That seems very likely.

**SethSquall** · 05-30-2006, 09:42 AM

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Toby looks really weird in the image.

Besides. Cant wait. Although I do hope Venom is in the 3rd film instead of useing the suit to open up to the sequal.

**Chromer** · 05-30-2006, 01:55 PM

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Even though Chris has a feasible plot line going there, Kirsten Dunst let it slip that Venom is going to be in the 3rd movie. If you want my idea on how the plot is gonna go peep this:

Every Spiderman movie has involved Oscorp in someway right? (Like Ultimate Spiderman comics do). So, I think they will bring JJJ's son (who was an astronaut in Spiderman 2 remember?) to get the suit in space and bring it back to Earth. Then somehow the suit will get to Spidey and blah blah. Mr. Sandman will have some connection to Oscorp as well. That's what I think though. Also, now we see the introduction of Gwen Stacy, Peter Parker's TRUE first girlfriend. Green or Hobgoblin kills Stacy and that's how MJ and Peter hooked up. I'm a Spiderman nerd. =P

**Afrobean** · 05-30-2006, 03:02 PM

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I'm pretty sure that when Miss Dunst "let it slip" they hadn't even completed the scriptwriting and things of that nature.

And, actually, what I described would have Venom in it as well. He just wouldn't make an appearance until the end.

Really, you're saying that you believe that Topher Grace will be playing Eddie Brock if you say that you think Venom will be a primary villain in the film. Topher Grace is more fit to play Peter Parker than Eddie Brock... Eddie Brock HAS to be a big guy.

If they do Venom side by side with Sandman, it won't be that good. Venom deserves his own movie, but if he doesn't get it, he deserves an iconic subvillain.

Hell, they could probably make a 3 hour movie on just black Spidey's origin, Venom's origin, and a final showdown.

Regarding the symbiote: I think we're all in agreement that JJJ bringing it from space like in the cartoon is probably the best way to have it happen. They're not going to do a movie with all of the other Marvel heroes that were involved in the symbiote's real origin.

Anyway, I really do not believe they can handle all of the black Spidey happenings/origin as well as Venom's full origin, as well as a showdown between Venom and Spidey as well as a full origin/showdown with Sandman.

And regarding Gwen Stacy: Irrelevent at this point. Because Peter has already even let Mary Jane in on the secret, the only possible other love interest I can see for him would be Blackcat/Felicia Hardey. If they had done Gwen Stacey, they should have done it in the first film and had her fall to her death at the Unity Festival (in place of Mary Jane falling and Peter catching her). Bringing Gwen in at this point will draw attention away from MJ, which would make absolutely no sense knowing how deep Peter and MJ are in together at this point.

**Chromer** · 05-30-2006, 08:23 PM

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Chris you already know how most scriptwriters NEVER follow the original content directly. Give me one comic book movie franchise in history that DIRECTLY followed the original content. Not going to find one. Can't say Spiderman because MJ found out who Spidey was in the 2nd movie (big no-no). Batman did it wrong as well. We all know it was Joker who killed Bruce's parents, not some no name like in Batman Begins (the movie was still good though). I can't really say for Superman because I haven't seen all of the movies but you get my point. If Venom does come into the story, I'm betting it will be towards the last half of the movie.

**Afrobean** · 05-30-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally posted by Chromer

Chris you already know how most scriptwriters NEVER follow the original content directly. Give me one comic book movie franchise in history that DIRECTLY followed the original content. Not going to find one. Can't say Spiderman because MJ found out who Spidey was in the 2nd movie (big no-no). Batman did it wrong as well. We all know it was Joker who killed Bruce's parents, not some no name like in Batman Begins (the movie was still good though). I can't really say for Superman because I haven't seen all of the movies but you get my point. If Venom does come into the story, I'm betting it will be towards the last half of the movie.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Joe Chill was the one who killed Bruce's parents. I assume that Joker killing his parents was an invention of the Tim Burton film.

And yeah I know what you mean, but bringing in another love interest just won't make any sense unless there's DAMN good reason for it. Peter is not going to simply leave this Mary Jane girl that he's loved since forever, who loves him back, who knows that he's Spider-man, and that wants him DESPITE that he's Spider-man. The only female who I could ever see Peter POSSIBLY leaving MJ after she knows his identity is Black Cat, and even that wouldn't be too serious.

**scorpio1690** · 05-30-2006, 08:42 PM

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Dunst did "let it slip" that this movie includes Sandman and Venom. It's quite agreed on that Topher Grace will be Venom. There's rumours of him bulking up and even doing juice (ya right). I'm skeptical though, even if he turned into a muscle house he just doesn't have the right frame. Eddie Brock was a middle aged pissed off news reporter. Topher Grace is a stoned teenage pussy hippie that steals his parent's station wagon. I don't see the connection, but I don't doubt the movie industry found a way to completely screw over venom by using him.

Example A: Eddie Brock with the Venom symbiot, a behemoth of enormous proportion and bone crushing strength.

Example B:Topher Grace. Mister I wanna make it big even though I'm a skinny ass white boy. Sure, he makes more than your whole family does in a lifetime, but would you want to be HIM.

Example C:What do you get when you combine the sheer greatness of one of the most well known SpiderMan villains and a skinny white hippie?

I hope you're right Afro, I really do.

**SethSquall** · 05-31-2006, 06:49 AM

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Another thing I noticed is peter is wearing clothes over what could be the venom suit right? Well in the cartoon didnt peter just wear the venom suit all the time, becuase the venom suit could disguise itself as normal clothes? Im not too sure, my memories vague but im sure thats what happens.

**Afrobean** · 05-31-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by SethSquall

Another thing I noticed is peter is wearing clothes over what could be the venom suit right? Well in the cartoon didnt peter just wear the venom suit all the time, becuase the venom suit could disguise itself as normal clothes? Im not too sure, my memories vague but im sure thats what happens.

This was brought up in the thread I stole the second photo from on IMDB.

I think the general consensus was that the movie would be different in this aspect. Perhaps Peter simply wears the black costume always and it CANNOT change into clothing. Perhaps the costume is not even the symbiote at all, and simply a black version of the standard costume created for some unknown reason.

I don't know exactly. The most likely reasoning is that they simply wanted to have another scene where Peter pulls open his shirt, only this time it's black. The costume in the movie probably is just a costume and cannot change, simply because of how much of a leap it would be realistically. As it is, Venom taking on the same costume, but looking much different might be too much of a leap for the general public to accept.

Although, if they specifically go into great detail about the origins of the suit, explaining in GREAT detail EARLY ON that the suit is alive, there would probably be more openness to the idea that the suit can change depending on the desires of the wearer.

Another reason I just thought of: Maybe Peter "chose" to have the suit be under his "normal clothing" (in this case, the suit) simply for dramatic effect. In other words, rather than simply changing his clothing into the black suit using his connection to the symbiote, he wanted to physically remove his clothing in this instance to make it more dramatic.

**SethSquall** · 06-1-2006, 06:55 AM

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Originally posted by Afrobean

This was brought up in the thread I stole the second photo from on IMDB

So my post wasn't utterly retarded? Score. Anyway. If its not the suit then I wonder why its black. I mean. The spiderman costume is different in the cartoon than the suit in the film, however there still quite simular. Like colour and so on. I didnt watch every spiderman cartoon but I cant remember there ever being a black Spiderman costume apart from the symbiote. Why would they change that?

Edit. I think its the venom suit. Look at the symbol on venom. Then look at Peter opening his shirt. The symbols are the same.

**MalReynolds** · 06-1-2006, 08:42 AM

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We all know it's not possible for the filmmakers to use CGI to digitally enhance Venom when he's in Venom form. They don't even know what CGI is yet.

Afrobean, your movie plot is based on PURE speculation, as is anyones at this point.

I believe this movie will be Sandman/Venom centric, and it will have Gwen Stacey. Why? Because Dunst has said she wants out of the movies and they're probably going to have a replacement.

**SethSquall** · 06-1-2006, 08:51 AM

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Yea I think its about time for some love triangles. Plus Gwen was so much more appealing.

**HansSky** · 06-1-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Chromer

Give me one comic book movie franchise in history that DIRECTLY followed the original content.

Sin City.

**Tasselfoot** · 06-1-2006, 10:34 AM

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Sin City was also only 7 books... whereas Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc etc etc all have HUNDREDS of comic books.

Much easier to make Sin City fit with the books, given the amount of content to work with. So that isn't really a good example.

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