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  • Dorby
    fake plastic deez
    • Aug 2007
    • 874

    #1

    Question about average rank and FFR rank

    So, I've been playing a little bit here and there over the last few months, updating my scores a bit and trying to catch up on the hundreds of songs I haven't ever ranked on.
    However, I have noticed that while my grandtotal rank keeps going down, my FFR rank and average rank keep going up?

    Example :

    As of 9/6/21

    FFR Rank : 963
    Average Rank : 2,804
    Grandtotal Rank : 1,068
    Grandtotal : 7,092,614,785

    compared to 12/9/2021

    FFR Rank : 989
    Average Rank : 4,407
    Grandtotal Rank : 1,021
    Grandtotal : 7,394,867,800

    Does anyone have an explanation for this? I have no idea how I'm losing rank despite improving on scores and getting great scores on new songs.

    Please help!
    Last edited by Dorby; 12-9-2021, 06:49 PM.
    Originally posted by Phynx
    And so it was, with this thread that, in 2014 Robertsona will be placed in history via the Legendary Thread section. He will be respected as a self-proclaimed master of TGB. A feat so uncared for and ignored that he himself committed suicide in early 2013.
  • One Winged Angel
    Anime Avatars ( ◜◡^)っ✂╰⋃╯
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Mar 2007
    • 10837

    #2
    Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

    yo Dorby what's good

    FFR Rank refers to your placement on the leaderboards, which only factors in your top 15 scores right now. So to make any progress on that front you need to get scores with better AAA equivalency than what you have at the moment.

    Average Rank is a metric no one really cares about nowadays with other skill-tracking metrics existing, just the average of all songs in your levelranks like it's always been. Looks like what you listed is your Average Rank Rank (lol) which is your avrank position relative to everyone else. Even if you're improving scores, if you have a lot of unplayeds it's going to be shitty.

    Hope ur doing good bud.


    Originally posted by ilikexd
    i want to be cucked by cirno

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    • Dorby
      fake plastic deez
      • Aug 2007
      • 874

      #3
      Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

      Originally posted by One Winged Angel
      yo Dorby what's good

      FFR Rank refers to your placement on the leaderboards, which only factors in your top 15 scores right now. So to make any progress on that front you need to get scores with better AAA equivalency than what you have at the moment.

      Average Rank is a metric no one really cares about nowadays with other skill-tracking metrics existing, just the average of all songs in your levelranks like it's always been. Looks like what you listed is your Average Rank Rank (lol) which is your avrank position relative to everyone else. Even if you're improving scores, if you have a lot of unplayeds it's going to be shitty.

      Hope ur doing good bud.

      good to hear from you friend - thank you for the explanation! I'm still confused, but oh well. I guess things are just wonky :shrugs:
      Originally posted by Phynx
      And so it was, with this thread that, in 2014 Robertsona will be placed in history via the Legendary Thread section. He will be respected as a self-proclaimed master of TGB. A feat so uncared for and ignored that he himself committed suicide in early 2013.

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      • One Winged Angel
        Anime Avatars ( ◜◡^)っ✂╰⋃╯
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Mar 2007
        • 10837

        #4
        Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

        I don't want you confused lol

        https://www.flashflashrevolution.com...username=Dorby

        The top 15 songs you have here are used to calculate your level, which for you is 77.59, and then your rank is where you fall relative to everyone else on the site. To improve this you need to get higher ratings in your top 15 which will improve your level and subsequently you'll pass more people in rank. This is the metric most people care about nowadays.

        Are you confused about avrank rank too? That one has stayed the same as it always has, it's just using your actual average rank (which from your levelranks is 5,294.2291 at the moment) and calculating your position relative to everyone else.

        If you only had three players with avranks of 10, 250, and 10,000, their avrank ranks would just be 1, 2, 3 in that order. So effectively that but it's pulling from a pool of over 2 million users.


        Originally posted by ilikexd
        i want to be cucked by cirno

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        • Dorby
          fake plastic deez
          • Aug 2007
          • 874

          #5
          Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

          Originally posted by One Winged Angel
          I don't want you confused lol

          https://www.flashflashrevolution.com...username=Dorby

          The top 15 songs you have here are used to calculate your level, which for you is 77.59, and then your rank is where you fall relative to everyone else on the site. To improve this you need to get higher ratings in your top 15 which will improve your level and subsequently you'll pass more people in rank. This is the metric most people care about nowadays.

          Are you confused about avrank rank too? That one has stayed the same as it always has, it's just using your actual average rank (which from your levelranks is 5,294.2291 at the moment) and calculating your position relative to everyone else.

          If you only had three players with avranks of 10, 250, and 10,000, their avrank ranks would just be 1, 2, 3 in that order. So effectively that but it's pulling from a pool of over 2 million users.

          It's confusing to me because I've only gotten better ranks and even played songs I wasn't ranked on and yet my rank is getting higher and higher for some reason.
          It's very odd that my rank and average rank keep getting worse despite me scoring very well on the songs I play.
          Last edited by Dorby; 12-9-2021, 07:26 PM.
          Originally posted by Phynx
          And so it was, with this thread that, in 2014 Robertsona will be placed in history via the Legendary Thread section. He will be respected as a self-proclaimed master of TGB. A feat so uncared for and ignored that he himself committed suicide in early 2013.

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          • woker-X
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            FFR Simfile Author
            • Mar 2007
            • 1040

            #6
            Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

            Iirc, there was a change recently that impacted the Av Rank.
            If you look at your public level ranks (or the FC/AAA bars on your profile), the counts now include the tokens. Looking at your token level ranks, it doesn't seem that you have played most of them. That explains the big jump on your Average Rank, since that change happened last month.

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            • Dorby
              fake plastic deez
              • Aug 2007
              • 874

              #7
              Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

              Originally posted by woker-X
              Iirc, there was a change recently that impacted the Av Rank.
              If you look at your public level ranks (or the FC/AAA bars on your profile), the counts now include the tokens. Looking at your token level ranks, it doesn't seem that you have played most of them. That explains the big jump on your Average Rank, since that change happened last month.

              oh okay, that makes some sense then because it has been within a month or two that I noticed my average rank go from 2k to 4k (and I was thinking how in the hell?!)
              Originally posted by Phynx
              And so it was, with this thread that, in 2014 Robertsona will be placed in history via the Legendary Thread section. He will be respected as a self-proclaimed master of TGB. A feat so uncared for and ignored that he himself committed suicide in early 2013.

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              • PrawnSkunk
                Administrator
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Administrator
                • Dec 2007
                • 3907

                #8
                Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

                Yup, average rank was changed in September 2021 to include token songs! Everyone's average rank was also updated, which added thousands of new accounts to the average rank leaderboards.

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                • Dorby
                  fake plastic deez
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 874

                  #9
                  Re: Question about average rank and FFR rank

                  Originally posted by PrawnSkunk
                  Yup, average rank was changed in September 2021 to include token songs! Everyone's average rank was also updated, which added thousands of new accounts to the average rank leaderboards.

                  appreciate the explanation broseph
                  Originally posted by Phynx
                  And so it was, with this thread that, in 2014 Robertsona will be placed in history via the Legendary Thread section. He will be respected as a self-proclaimed master of TGB. A feat so uncared for and ignored that he himself committed suicide in early 2013.

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