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  • Charu
    Snivy! Dohoho!
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Mar 2006
    • 6161

    #1

    TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

    MAD17
    The MU Champs Version


    36 HOUR DAY PHASES
    12 HOUR NIGHT PHASES

    ROLES
    13x Town
    4x Mafia


    Of the following 18 roles, 1 will randomly be discarded and the other 17 will be assigned at random to one player in the game without regard for the player's alignment. Each role is restricted to using its action only on the nights listed on the chart. The Mafia will be told which role is not present in the game.




    Watcher: Learns who visited the target, but not what actions they did

    Alignment Cop: Learns whether the target is town or mafia, but not their role

    Vigilante: Kills the target

    Doctor: Protects the target from kills on that night only (cannot self-protect)

    Tracker: Learns who the target visited, but not what actions they did

    Roleblocker: Prevents the target from using their action on that night only

    Jailkeeper: Performs both a Doctor and Roleblocker action on the target, both protecting and blocking them (cannot self-protect)

    Role Cop: Learns the role of the target, but not whether they are town or mafia

    Jack of All Trades: Can use one of their abilities per night without repeats

    Voyeur: Learns what type of actions were performed on the target, but not who did them

    Macho: The player cannot be protected from kills

    Strongman: Kills performed with Strongman cannot be stopped in any way (serves no purpose if the player is town)

    Ninja: Night actions performed on the night that Ninja is used are invisible to investigative roles (Trackers, Watchers, and Voyeurs)

    MECHANICS
    • Role reveals at death are alignment only. You will not learn a player's exact role when they die.
    • Usage of night actions is optional, but unused actions will be lost.
    • Mafia factional kills are optional. Mafia may submit a factional kill each night, but are not required to. However, starting night 5, the factional kill will be mandatory.
    • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
    • Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
    • Mafia members may perform the faction kill in addition to their regular action at the same time.


    Role PMs
    Please go to this page to find the exact wording of the Role PMs: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...oles-Modifiers

    FAQ [Specifics for this setup]

    Q: What changes to the setup have been made since the practice games?

    A: The Roleblocker role has been split into two roles, creating 18 total. One role will randomly be excluded from the setup, and the Mafia will be told which one it is. Also, both Tracker roles have gained Strongman modifiers.


    Q: What does Cycle mean?

    A: Cycle is MU terminology for the night(s) on which a role can act. This is an example of how some roles might appear in Role PMs and Role Cop investigations:

    Jack of All Trades (x1 Doctor, x1 Jailkeeper, x1 Voyeur) | Cycle 1, 2, 3
    Doctor | Cycle 2, 4
    Alignment Cop | x1 Ninja | Cycle 2
    Macho Watcher | Cycle 1


    Q: What do the Voyeur results look like?

    A: The Voyeur sees the type of action performed on the target, but not the exact action. There's four categories: Protection (Doctor), Manipulative (Roleblocker, Jailkeeper), Killing (Vigilante, Mafia Faction Kill), and Investigative (all others). The Voyeur does not see their own action in their results. This is a sample results PM: "the sun fan had Manipulative, Investigative, Killing done to them."


    Q: What is the order of operations? What happens if a roleblocker targets a roleblocker?

    ORDER OF OPERATIONS

    Night actions are processed in this order:

    Strongman kills
    Roleblocks
    Jails
    Doctors
    Bodyguards
    Kills
    Investigations
    Backups

    However, there is one important clarification: the order of operations lists Strongman Kills first because they are immune to blocks, and regular kills are listed ahead of investigative actions because investigative roles can witness killing actions, but this only means that the target is marked for death before other actions are processed. No deaths actually occur until after all actions have been processed. In other words, dying at night never stops a player's action from happening.

    The other important pieces of information are that Roleblockers act before Jailkeepers and that those roles are capable of blocking another player who attempts to use the same action.

    Q: Can Mafia players target their teammates with night actions?

    A: Yes. The Mafia's faction kill cannot be used on a member of their own team, but all other actions (including Vigilante kills) may be used on members of their own team.


    Q: Can Doctors and Jailkeepers self-target in order to protect themselves?

    A: No.

    Q: Which roles can self-target?

    A: Only Watchers.


    Q: Are the Strongman and Ninja actions limited only to the nights listed on the chart?

    A: No. If a player is Mafia, they may use their Strongman or Ninja ability on any night.


    Q: Can players be investigated while they are jailkept?

    A: Yes. Jailkeep is a combination of roleblock and doctor, neither of which prevent investigations on the target.

    ...

    ACTION FEEDBACK

    These are the results you will get when you submit certain actions.

    Non-investigative roles when they submit an action (they also receive this if they are roleblocked):

    Your action on Player A was received.
    Investigative actions return results even if the target dies on the same night.

    Actions that count as visits are counted as visits even if the actor dies on the same night.

    Investigative roles (Tracker, Cop, etc.) when roleblocked:

    Your action on Player B did not return any results.
    Trackers when tracking a person that didn't visit anyone (or if they targeted a Ninja):

    Player C did not visit anyone.
    Watchers when watching a person that wasn't visited by anyone (or only visited by a Ninja):

    Player D was not visited by anyone.
    Alignment Cop when investigating a town-aligned player (or a Godfather):

    Player E is Town
    Watcher when watching a person that was visited by multiple people:

    Player F was visited by Player G, Player H, Player I


    --------

    SIGNUPS

    1. the sun fan TOWN [Killed Night 5]

    2. Xiz TOWN [Lynched Day 3]

    3. Funnygurl555 TOWN [Killed Night 2]

    4. MixMasterLar TOWN [Lynched Day 6

    5. roundbox WOLF [WON AT ENDGAME]

    6. Shadow_God_10 WOLF [Lynched Day 1]

    7. SubaruPoptart TOWN [Killed Night 6]

    8. DaBackPack TOWN [Killed Night 1]

    9. XelNya/Xelicopter TOWN [LOST AT ENDGAME]

    10. HateandHatred TOWN [Killed Night 3]

    11. 123kappa3 TOWN [Lynched Day 7]

    12. jessiebessie TOWN [Killed Night 3]

    13. Precarious WOLF [Lynched Day 4]

    14. dragonmegaXX WOLF [Lynched Day 2]

    15. Svaz TOWN [ModKilled]

    16. _Zenith_ TOWN [Killed Night 2]

    17. psychoangel691 TOWN [Lynched Day 5]

    ---

    REPLACEMENTS

    Way too many in this game, jesus...


    Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
    Charu the red-nosed Snivy
    Had a very shiny nose
    And if you ever saw it
    You could even say it glows

    All of the other Snivies
    Used to laugh and call him names
    They never let poor Charu
    Join in any Snivy games

    (Click the arrow to see the rest)


    Originally posted by Vendetta21
    All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.
  • Charu
    Snivy! Dohoho!
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Mar 2006
    • 6161

    #2
    Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

    Watcher n1 ONLY (Macho) Watcher n2 ONLY ... Alignment Cop n2 ONLY 1x Ninja Alignment Cop n3 ONLY 1x Ninja Vigilante n2 ONLY ... Vigilante n3 ONLY ... Doctor n1, n3 ... Doctor n2, n4 ... Tracker n1, n3 1x Strongman Tracker n2, n4 1x Strongman J...


    NIGHT 1 FunnyGurl555 --BLOCK--> MixMasterLar _Zenith_ --VOYEUR--> DaBackPack Svaz --ROLE CHECK--> Hateandhatred dragonmegaXX --FACTIONAL KILL--> DaBackPack jessiebessie --WATCH--> DaBackPack Xelicopter --ROLE CHECK--> Antori roundbox --PROTECT--> the sun fan Hateandhat...


    Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
    Charu the red-nosed Snivy
    Had a very shiny nose
    And if you ever saw it
    You could even say it glows

    All of the other Snivies
    Used to laugh and call him names
    They never let poor Charu
    Join in any Snivy games

    (Click the arrow to see the rest)


    Originally posted by Vendetta21
    All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

    Comment

    • Charu
      Snivy! Dohoho!
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Mar 2006
      • 6161

      #3
      Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

      Dead chat and wolf chat are a part of the google docs too


      Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
      Charu the red-nosed Snivy
      Had a very shiny nose
      And if you ever saw it
      You could even say it glows

      All of the other Snivies
      Used to laugh and call him names
      They never let poor Charu
      Join in any Snivy games

      (Click the arrow to see the rest)


      Originally posted by Vendetta21
      All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

      Comment

      • Charu
        Snivy! Dohoho!
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Mar 2006
        • 6161

        #4
        Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

        [Post reserved]


        Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
        Charu the red-nosed Snivy
        Had a very shiny nose
        And if you ever saw it
        You could even say it glows

        All of the other Snivies
        Used to laugh and call him names
        They never let poor Charu
        Join in any Snivy games

        (Click the arrow to see the rest)


        Originally posted by Vendetta21
        All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

        Comment

        • DaBackpack
          ~ お ま ん こ ~
          • Mar 2014
          • 918

          #5
          Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

          Town threw. This was actually a throw. I was in a constant state of despair watching each day phase pass. The only town players I would say actually did "good" were jessie, Kappa, and FG.

          One great D0 lynch and two mechanical wolf kills and the rest of you still let town lose. Not gonna lie I was pretty fucking mad like, the whole time.

          Kappa, you did actually really well given the situation you placed into. I hope you come back and play with us some more. You had some solid intuition this game.

          Jessie, that was a great watcher use. MVP IMO.


          Originally posted by Moogy
          no one cares
          Originally posted by TWG Dan Hedgehog
          there are 743 matches for hedgehog suicide on deviantart
          that's kind of a sad statistic

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          • MixMasterLar
            Beach Bum Extraordinaire
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2006
            • 5278

            #6
            Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

            GG to Roundbox, who legit pocketed me and laughed when I said I was too good to be pocketed

            My only serious complaint is that the lack of effort from a sizable amount of people who have the gumption to sign up but not the time to post 5 times in 36 hours is making me question if playing these is even worth.

            Well, that and Xel just not even trying to read posts or questioning why if Kappa was the wolf he killed the one person the easiest to sway instead of Xel who was saying he would blindly vote that slot but you know w/e

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            • the sun fan
              FFR Player
              • Mar 2017
              • 487

              #7
              Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

              I sincerely don't think I did anything wrong, DBP
              my auto-circle was perfect from the cocoa lynch onwards

              I caught precarious for the right reasons and while I wasn't ramming it down people's throats (and I couldn't have done it without your clutch vote on him), I was the person who voted shadowgod first

              what did I do wrong or do to not play well?
              TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

              FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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              • Gradiant
                FFR's Resident Trashpanda
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Sep 2012
                • 1097

                #8
                Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                Shit happens when town absolutely refuses to be open to changing reads.
                Was really nice to see kappa replace into not a good spot and immediately call roundbox out on his shit, but then he got completely ignored.

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                • Svaz
                  quite clever
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 792

                  #9
                  Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                  “Lynching inactives is a bad policy” - someone that lost to some UTR ass wolf

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                  • MixMasterLar
                    Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 5278

                    #10
                    Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                    Originally posted by the sun fan

                    what did I do wrong or do to not play well?
                    I mean I don't want to kick a dead horse or anything but deciding that everyone was townier then me doing a time period where I wasn't even doing anything, and sticking with it so hard you basically rendered my slot completely useless is still pretty bad. I aint even talking about the idea that I hate being voted for because too nice or whatever.

                    It seriously was you just tinfoiling me so hard that you fucked over a town for no reason.




















































                    In before DBP unloads on me for all my mistakes

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                    • inDheart
                      Picker @ JAX2
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 505

                      #11
                      Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                      this sure was a game of twg that was played

                      i remember laughing at sunfan drawing the correct conclusion from the modpost

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                      • Svaz
                        quite clever
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 792

                        #12
                        Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                        Oh and I can explain the modkill I guess, basically I offered not to join deadchat in the event I died which came off as too town w/e imo it coulda been either way, arguably the dumbest move of the whole game

                        Luckily I have a bunch of shit to do now so I can go be bad at mahjong or some MMOs in my free time instead of TWG lol

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                        • MixMasterLar
                          Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 5278

                          #13
                          Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                          Originally posted by Svaz
                          “Lynching inactives is a bad policy” - someone that lost to some UTR ass wolf
                          I have to fight this fight every game

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                          • SubaruPoptart
                            da kyo~
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 736

                            #14
                            Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                            o o o h h h my g o o o dd I got played so goddamn hard. Shoulda went with suspicions but ya boi sheeped.

                            I feel it started going downhill when I shot Zenith so I apologize for that.






                            Originally posted by qrrbrbirbel
                            AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
                            Originally posted by the sun fan
                            AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



                            Originally posted by Shadow_God_10
                            Oh God it's Subaru
                            Originally posted by Deamerai
                            damnit subaru
                            Originally posted by FreezinIce
                            You can lead Subaru to water, but you can't make him vote at EOD
                            Originally posted by the sun fan
                            if cocoa flips town, n2 vig should shoot zenith obv
                            Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                            wolf gurls exist awooo owo ¿furries? owo awoo


                            Originally posted by dAnceguy117

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                            • Charu
                              Snivy! Dohoho!
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 6161

                              #15
                              Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [POST GAME]

                              Originally posted by Svaz
                              Oh and I can explain the modkill I guess, basically I offered not to join deadchat in the event I died which came off as too town w/e imo it coulda been either way, arguably the dumbest move of the whole game

                              Luckily I have a bunch of shit to do now so I can go be bad at mahjong or some MMOs in my free time instead of TWG lol
                              Oh no, is this you saying you're quitting FFRTWG!?

                              =(


                              Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                              Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                              Had a very shiny nose
                              And if you ever saw it
                              You could even say it glows

                              All of the other Snivies
                              Used to laugh and call him names
                              They never let poor Charu
                              Join in any Snivy games

                              (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                              Originally posted by Vendetta21
                              All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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