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  • Rapta
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    • Dec 2010
    • 1948

    #1

    First official tournament with R3 Air

    I think it has helped allow some players to play the game without as many issues, so more competition?
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  • clasko1000
    Ima Twans
    • Aug 2006
    • 633

    #2
    Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

    Even with Air I still struggle to find a good offset to feel like its consistently on sync. I keep bouncing between like 0.30 and 0.55 for offset because nothing feels right. It does feel much more smooth in terms of tearing than R3 ever did. It's really the reason I struggle to play the game for score any more, I usually find myself playing a few songs a week just for filler.
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    • SK8R43
      D7 Elite Keymasher
      • Jan 2008
      • 4683

      #3
      Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

      Air is good yes, but are they tinkering with it or something because its been fine for months but now its choppy and it isnt my computer haha
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      • PixlSM
        D7 Elite Keymasher
        • Jul 2017
        • 385

        #4
        Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

        air runs way worse than using projector for me. the only upside is the framerate is less choppy but who cares when its practically disregarding my input

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        • TC_Halogen
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          • Feb 2008
          • 19376

          #5
          Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

          this might be known information for some, but anyone who has gone from projector/browser with a frame rate above 60 should try playing the game at or just a touch below 60 with AIR to see if input is better.

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          • Sanjixcon
            Banned
            • Jun 2016
            • 617

            #6
            Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

            I haven't been very successful using the air player but I think new people will probably enjoy it for the high quality looks and smoothness.
            The input delay is pretty horrible though. When I say input delay I'm not talking about lag or choppiness.. I'm talking about how long it actually takes the game to recognize your key strokes. Like in fp9, I use around 0 to 0.5 judge but with air, I have to use at least -0.2 or i'll constantly drop late goods.
            idk might just be my cpu but fp9 has by far the fastest key input recognition even tho its choppy and old... and missing features like save screenshot and playing on rates.
            Last edited by Sanjixcon; 04-24-2018, 03:50 PM.

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            • Benjamin Linus
              FFR Player
              • Apr 2018
              • 11

              #7
              Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

              Yes, please!

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              • FirstMaple8
                D7 Elite Keymasher
                • Apr 2016
                • 565

                #8
                Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                yeah, i want more people to play da best gam ev3r (obviously fiffer)

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                • Zman100
                  FFR Player
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 383

                  #9
                  Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                  Originally posted by Rapta
                  I think it has helped allow some players to play the game without as many issues, so more competition?
                  I think you'll have more people overall participate, but the majority of us that have become accustomed to SM etc. won't be at an equivalent skill level in FFR. R3 specifically feels bizarre and harder to PA than the legacy engine, which hasn't been viable for me for the last 10 yrs due to lag even in the standalone.

                  @Sanjixcon I've actually noticed something similar. Try setting your frame rate as Halogen suggested to ~55 and switch off of the default ffr noteskin. For whatever reason there is a input/output delay with the default noteskin for me. i.e. (I hit a quad before a song starts and watch the receptors light up at different times) I switched to the delta skin and the problem went away. Not sure if this is a known bug, but I can confirm that the default skin does this on my machine.
                  Last edited by Zman100; 04-24-2018, 06:38 AM.

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                  • Pizza69
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                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 700

                    #10
                    Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                    That's funny about the default noteskin. It runs fine with default for me (that's what I usually use), but I can't use custom or else the game starts to straight up drop inputs everywhere and I finish songs with like 2-0-20-0 (this is an actual score I got once).

                    Can vouch for 55 framerate though, as soon as I went from 60 to 55 my scores got so much better and I magically wasn't splitting jumps anymore

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                    • clasko1000
                      Ima Twans
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 633

                      #11
                      Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                      Well guess I have a new thing to try out tonight.
                      It doesnt matter where you draw the line, everything leads to the same place... Over the line!

                      Best AAA's | Slam the door(61) Scars Left By Time(62) What Lies Beyond The Mountains(62)

                      Originally posted by emerald000
                      I'll take some more free boosters please.
                      Originally posted by choof
                      please do the community a favor
                      http://ffr.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ

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                      • Elmerz
                        FFR Veteran
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 606

                        #12
                        Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                        The only reason I use air is to take screenshots, and even then I could just use fp10 instead of 9. Offset is a gigantic issue for me. Also it feels like the position of the arrow where perfects and amazings register are different. I play things generally early on fp9 and on air I have to play much later.

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                        • SK8R43
                          D7 Elite Keymasher
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 4683

                          #13
                          Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                          Originally posted by Elmerz
                          The only reason I use air is to take screenshots, and even then I could just use fp10 instead of 9. Offset is a gigantic issue for me. Also it feels like the position of the arrow where perfects and amazings register are different. I play things generally early on fp9 and on air I have to play much later.
                          How do you use FP without lag lmao? Its completely unplable for me and if it wasnt for air i still wouldnt be playing XD
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                          • Hakulyte
                            the Haku
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 4607

                            #14
                            Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                            Originally posted by Pizza69
                            That's funny about the default noteskin. It runs fine with default for me (that's what I usually use), but I can't use custom or else the game starts to straight up drop inputs everywhere and I finish songs with like 2-0-20-0 (this is an actual score I got once).

                            Can vouch for 55 framerate though, as soon as I went from 60 to 55 my scores got so much better and I magically wasn't splitting jumps anymore
                            60 framerate:

                            55 framerate:


                            I think Air is currently better for rates, but I can't beat my FP scores with Air on 1.0 rate.
                            Last edited by Hakulyte; 04-24-2018, 05:29 PM.

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                            • Zman100
                              FFR Player
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 383

                              #15
                              Re: First official tournament with R3 Air

                              @Hakulyte
                              So is it fair to assume adjusting frame rate affects the timing windows of the game? In which case why is 30fps seemingly no different than 55fps accuracy wise. (Obviously 30 fps is choppy as hell visually)
                              Also any comment on why note skin would affect game play?

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