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  • MarcusHawkins
    The Punny Anti-PA Guy
    • Jun 2013
    • 1219

    #1

    How should Secret Songs be handled?

    For years, obtaining a certain amount of credits has been used to unlock Secret Songs. I want to make this thread, and say that I think this is not the way to do it, and here's why...

    1. Gambling Hall
    This is the major thing that alters the way in how you gain, and lose credits. Let's say someone who's been in this site for a long time has 250k credits, and decides to make a 250k credit bet. Well, if he loses, all of the hard work he/she put into this game to unlock and play the secret songs are now GONE! He then has to rack these credits back up to play these songs again!
    In the opposite side, let's say we have a new person coming into FFR. Someone game him/her a certain amount of credits to Gamble with, so he/she gambles. Moments later, he/she just won 150k credits, and has all of the secret songs, meaning he/she put in little to no effort to unlock such songs. Of course, this will happen if you're lucky, but that's besides the point.
    Do you see the problem in this scenario? Let's move on.

    2. Credit Transfer Log
    I used an example where someone took this feature to the advantage and gambled to get 150k, but there is another scenario. Another new person comes in to FFR, because his/her friend has an account. His/her friend is very rich in credits, and decides to gives the new person 150k credits, just so he can have the songs early on. Again, that new person required little to no effort to get the secret songs unlocked, therefore, can play such songs.
    On the other hand, some user for no reason has 150k, and decides to give it all away. All of the hard work he put into for these secret songs are now gone, and that user regrets giving away all of his credits. Again, he has to rack them back up to get these songs back.

    So here's a possible solution to this problem. Maybe, instead of credits to play secret songs, you can use that player's GT, or member length, and secret songs will unlock as you play more and more, and have been a member longer and longer. The main purpose of credits for secret songs anyway, is a representation to show your membership in FFR, so I think this would go very well! Hopefully, this way, no one will have to worry about gaining or losing credits anymore when wanting to play secret songs. They'll just play, and unlock as they go, without any cheats or alternatives!

    So what do YOU think? Should credits unlocking secret songs stay the way it is, or can there be a more alternative method? I want to hear YOUR opinion!

    -Marcus Hawkins

    P.S. - If this offends any player in any way, I want to apologize, as it is not my intention to be mean, rude, or disrespectful. I just hope you'll understand, that's all!
    Last edited by MarcusHawkins; 05-19-2015, 09:18 PM.

    Originally posted by Ghost_Medley

    This man is three months too early.
    Originally posted by badman7772
    Guess I'll take another Quality Pack please. I won't have Hawkins luck but I'm sure I'll have badluck7772.

    Originally posted by _Zenith_
    what the fuck marcus lmao

    Originally posted by rushyrulz
    You should all thank MarcusHawkins btw

    Originally posted by DDRNGGin
    Marcus is probably going to be the main man to win this (You will always be my DDR brother for life, MarcusHawkins! )

    Originally posted by Sky Kitten
    Best Newbie
    1st: MarcusHawkins: 4

    Up And Coming FFRer
    2nd: MarcusHawkins: 3
  • _Zenith_
    Accuracy Player
    • Mar 2011
    • 4629

    #2
    Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

    As currency dependant genre, Secret should stay where it is. Credits have for lack of a better term insufficient purpose and its own meaning. Credits are Purchased/Secret Genres, though, increasing the amount of songs in each genre would be nice to see.





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    • Red Blaster
      Bridge Burner
      • Jun 2011
      • 2040

      #3
      Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

      I think it should stay how it is, except if you lose all of your credits the secret songs stay unlocked.
      Like once you unlock them it's pretty stupid to have them become locked again.
      Originally posted by hi19hi19
      edgelord Linkin Park adolescent angst music
      Originally posted by choof
      hey great contribution to the thread cucklord the exit's up in the top right of your screen, it's called "log out"
      Originally posted by Funnygurl555
      what's a milky christmas :O

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      • MarcusHawkins
        The Punny Anti-PA Guy
        • Jun 2013
        • 1219

        #4
        Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

        Originally posted by Red Blaster
        I think it should stay how it is, except if you lose all of your credits the secret songs stay unlocked.
        Like once you unlock them it's pretty stupid to have them become locked again.
        Totally agree with you on that one! You have the credits, only to lose them AND the songs with it?
        I should also mention that Secret songs can unlock Tier Points, Skill Tokens, and improve your FFR rank! Without these songs, how are you supposed to achieve such things?
        Last edited by MarcusHawkins; 05-19-2015, 09:35 PM.

        Originally posted by Ghost_Medley

        This man is three months too early.
        Originally posted by badman7772
        Guess I'll take another Quality Pack please. I won't have Hawkins luck but I'm sure I'll have badluck7772.

        Originally posted by _Zenith_
        what the fuck marcus lmao

        Originally posted by rushyrulz
        You should all thank MarcusHawkins btw

        Originally posted by DDRNGGin
        Marcus is probably going to be the main man to win this (You will always be my DDR brother for life, MarcusHawkins! )

        Originally posted by Sky Kitten
        Best Newbie
        1st: MarcusHawkins: 4

        Up And Coming FFRer
        2nd: MarcusHawkins: 3

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        • Sorie
          FFR Player
          • Jul 2014
          • 142

          #5
          Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

          I think it should stay the same, it gives a value to credits. Just be more cautious if you like gambling. Keep a 150k credits in bank and gamble the rest if you feel like it.

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          • MarcusHawkins
            The Punny Anti-PA Guy
            • Jun 2013
            • 1219

            #6
            Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

            Originally posted by Sorie
            I think it should stay the same, it gives a value to credits. Just be more cautious if you like gambling. Keep a 150k credits in bank and gamble the rest if you feel like it.
            and how exactly would you keep them "in a bank"?
            I'd sure wish that option were available, but it's not, so there's a problem.
            Last edited by MarcusHawkins; 05-19-2015, 10:05 PM.

            Originally posted by Ghost_Medley

            This man is three months too early.
            Originally posted by badman7772
            Guess I'll take another Quality Pack please. I won't have Hawkins luck but I'm sure I'll have badluck7772.

            Originally posted by _Zenith_
            what the fuck marcus lmao

            Originally posted by rushyrulz
            You should all thank MarcusHawkins btw

            Originally posted by DDRNGGin
            Marcus is probably going to be the main man to win this (You will always be my DDR brother for life, MarcusHawkins! )

            Originally posted by Sky Kitten
            Best Newbie
            1st: MarcusHawkins: 4

            Up And Coming FFRer
            2nd: MarcusHawkins: 3

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            • PhantomPuppy
              Washed and Irrelevant D7
              • May 2012
              • 1808

              #7
              Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

              Originally posted by Sorie
              I think it should stay the same, it gives a value to credits. Just be more cautious if you like gambling. Keep a 150k credits in bank and gamble the rest if you feel like it.
              lol this. i think ive gone up to about 250k, and have given away 100k of it to friends of mine, but always made sure to keep 150k no matter what on my acc. currently at 150,913 xD. yea, just... once u have it unlocked, its up to you really to make sure to be smart with your credits. otherwise, DO YOU REALLY DESERVE THAT SECRET SONG?!?! DUM DUM DUM.

              10th OT (D3): 13th
              11th OT (D6): 11th
              12th OT (D6): 6th
              13th OT (D7): 31st
              14th OT (D7): 25th
              15th OT (D7): LAST PLACE LOL
              16th OT (D7): LAST PLACE LOL


              Originally posted by Funnygurl555
              you know what they say

              under all the rust is really shiny...……… metal

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              • Gradiant
                FFR's Resident Trashpanda
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Sep 2012
                • 1097

                #8
                Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                Secret songs should be changed to purchased, having to keep a certain credit limit just to be able to play songs is kind of lame.

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                • Kagome
                  Pop'n Music.
                  • May 2003
                  • 1314

                  #9
                  Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                  Moved this to General Talk

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                  • Red Blaster
                    Bridge Burner
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 2040

                    #10
                    Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                    Originally posted by PhantomPuppy
                    lol this. i think ive gone up to about 250k, and have given away 100k of it to friends of mine, but always made sure to keep 150k no matter what on my acc. currently at 150,913 xD. yea, just... once u have it unlocked, its up to you really to make sure to be smart with your credits. otherwise, DO YOU REALLY DESERVE THAT SECRET SONG?!?! DUM DUM DUM.
                    As an occasional tournament host this really doesn't sit well with me.
                    The more credits I can offer myself the more the individual credit payouts will be, I can rely less on donations and there would be that much more player hype. Given that you have to keep 150k of that specifically/only to have secret songs rather than put it all into a tournament pot it's just extremely annoying from that aspect.

                    If you're an idiot and lose your ass gambling, that's on you. Too bad.
                    Last edited by Red Blaster; 05-19-2015, 10:29 PM.
                    Originally posted by hi19hi19
                    edgelord Linkin Park adolescent angst music
                    Originally posted by choof
                    hey great contribution to the thread cucklord the exit's up in the top right of your screen, it's called "log out"
                    Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                    what's a milky christmas :O

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                    • Destroy2777
                      FFR Player
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 90

                      #11
                      Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                      I would rather see credits as something that one worked and earned to obtain, and unlocking the secret songs should be part of that effort. Just the same, it's rather offsetting to lose access to something that you earned your way towards (well, hopefully) through play and events.

                      Because of this, I have to agree with Red Blaster. Once someone passes the threshold, that player deserves to keep the songs, for the credits one earns are credits one should be able to use to his or her own wishes.

                      I suppose, as an alternative, if the secret songs were to be unlocked based on one's effort within the game, that the secret songs focus themselves only on credits earned through one's play; however, this contains various consequences in its own right.

                      On the one hand, people could not attain the credit amounts needed for the secret songs via gambling hall luck or mass credit transfer from other players. On the other is the fact that alternative accounts could not play the secret songs immediately without spending as much time as they did on their main account playing, event participation could not be considered, and, due to the level of effort needed to actually explore certain secret songs, some newer players might not get the opportunity to ever play them (not to mention some system would have to be placed to track all of this). It is a possible idea, but it would also craft multiple complications within itself.

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                      • emulord
                        FFR Veteran
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 778

                        #12
                        Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                        I like secret songs how they are.

                        However, there should probably be a Achievement genre that unlocks a song every N AAAs or FCs or Grand total. That would be an additional avenue to reward playtime. Right now with how the ranking system is only your highest AAAs count. AAAing Story of snowman and sunshine girl should always mean something. :P

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                        • PhantomPuppy
                          Washed and Irrelevant D7
                          • May 2012
                          • 1808

                          #13
                          Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                          @red and destroy, i can see some ppl just handing over 150k to some of their newer friends to unlock the song, then they just give the credits back to them, and both of them have it permanently unlocked. maybe if it were to go down that road, they'd have to meet the minimum requirements to be able to start unlocking secret songs? i mean the whole play some odd number of different songs, etc, like for being able to play in OT's. maybe that might work?

                          10th OT (D3): 13th
                          11th OT (D6): 11th
                          12th OT (D6): 6th
                          13th OT (D7): 31st
                          14th OT (D7): 25th
                          15th OT (D7): LAST PLACE LOL
                          16th OT (D7): LAST PLACE LOL


                          Originally posted by Funnygurl555
                          you know what they say

                          under all the rust is really shiny...……… metal

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                          • sickufully
                            Sir Krisk
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 930

                            #14
                            Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                            In response to what RB said, how about a new badge/user icon (like the blue circular veteran status icon under user title) that is handed out to the host/s of tournaments at the end of their successfully completed tournament that gives them the ability to have secret songs permanently unlocked (once they have reached the required credit amount).

                            That way, hosts can enjoy running tourneys without worrying about losing their secret songs. It also gives a cool new user icon that shows the community that this user can host a successful tourney. And maybe it might generate more tourneys cause I'm sure that the large credit donation that hosts have to contribute is usually what keeps people from hosting one (along with a little time and effort).

                            And if your tourney is incomplete, you don't get the user icon.

                            And another suggestion to combat the unlimited trading of credits between accounts could be to limit a daily trading amount based on the amount of FC's you have (or based off the division you're in), maxed at maybe 250k credits a day? Basing it off AAA's or Tier Points would restrict it to higher leveled players only. I dunno where I'm going with this, I'm just throwing idea's out there.

                            And I agree with Emulord about the playtime achievements genre, that would be a cool addition

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                            • MinaciousGrace
                              FFR Player
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 4278

                              #15
                              Re: How should Secret Songs be handled?

                              i am offented

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