Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

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Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

JV has a lot of friendly patterns while extratone has some really tricky patterns in its bursts

JV has a lot of jumptrillable parts and such, and the only reason it's a 93 is because it is relentless - and since most people dont have stamina for 230bpm for 3 minutes i can see why people get like.. 3 times as many goods in JV

also people are generally more prone to goods during extended trills - JV has exactly that - trills (230bpm 16ths) for an extended amount of time near the end of the song that results in the a lot of goods for many i believe

jv is like a high 93 but not a 94 imo

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

Definately not qualified to judge ratings on files in this difficulty range but I'm pretty sure that
makes Extratone Pirates rated a step above Jamais Vu. 20 bpm difference is actually a big difference when it comes to the jumpstream in the two mentioned files.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

Was actually talking to smartdude about this a few days ago.

Yes I think EP is comparably easier than JV, but I don't think JV should be bumped up to 94. If anything, EP should be 92. Apparently many players can handle jumpstreams at these speeds (see MFDFY and how many AAAs it already has) so EP's rating may be slightly overinflated given how comfortable the ending jumpstream is to hit. The rest of that file doesn't breach 90+ imo.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

I definitely think JV is 1 difficulty level above EP, that it can't just be a high X vs low X thing. The disparity is too great. But now looking at the 92-94s, moving EP down to 92 instead is a bit more logical. It certainly feels similar to AQD & System Doctor to me.

I have to disagree with this. I know a 20 BPM difference is generally a significant factor, but there are lots of parts in JV that are layered on 8ths, so the NPS is actually a bit higher for a decent portion. In addition, the patterns in EP are friendly and unanchored, while JV is quite the opposite.

In fact, playing JV isnt' really like playing jumpstream. It's a lot of weird trilling patterns with jumps on them.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

I find them about equal in difficulty, but jamais has the edge over EP. Both have terrible parts to get behind or miss/rush an arrow and rack up goods/averages. I find trilly jumpstream extremely easier than rigid/flowing jumpstream like EP. Staying on track/beat seems to be multitudes easier than shifting jumps all over the place. Lets not forget those transitions into/out of 32nd walls in EP [murders me every time].

EDIT: Jamais is definitely easier to get misses on.

Also, regarding AAA's, Jamais was a later round in the 6th official while EP was earlier (2 rounds?) so most of the AAA's were made from that round.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

Looking over 92-94, I kinda want to push both WW pt. 2 and WWE into 93 (not solely based on stats but it's 4am and I'm only gonna elaborate if I'm asked lol)

I think..

92
Sys Doc, AQD, EP

93
JV, WW pt. 2, WWE, TWWW

94
CP, Husigi, Unconnected.

..makes the most sense. Thoughts? (I hope you don't mind me asking opinions on that stuff in here, ilikexd. I'll make another thread if you prefer.)

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

WWE being 94 was one of the reasons I thought JV should be 94. But it looks so out of place there next to CP, Unconnected, and Husigi. Can't comment on WW because I haven't played.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

It's pretty difficult to rate Jamais Vu properly because there aren't any files to compare it to at that level honestly. The closest would be Slashmaid, which is a 90. The others either aren't comparable because it's mainly bursts/a difficulty spike or just not trilly in general.

The reason why Jamais Vu has worse leaderboards compared to other files like say Extratone Pirates or Husigi Usagi Milk Tei or basically any other 93-94 in general is because Jamais Vu is consistently relentless and it's really easy to lose track of what you're hitting. Compared to Extratone Pirates, which has only one FSO part, which is pretty brief compared to Jamais Vu to begin with. Not to mention the patterning is easier, so I wouldn't compare it through leaderboards.

Every burst in Jamais Vu is hittable as jumps/jumptrills, including the last one. Though the last one requires a lot more complex jumptrilling compared to the other bursts, I agree. I find Extratone Pirates' bursts harder to be honest. Winter Wind Etude's difficulty is 94 because although most of the file is cake for its difficulty, the ending is almost unhittable legitimately and it requires a lot of frame manipulation to PA it properly. Though, Winter Wind Etude is definitely one of the lower 94s in that list.

As for Jamais Vu, I don't really think it's a 94. Yes, the anchors in the file makes a lot of one handed trills, but the speed is pretty slow (Like what Gradiant mentioned, 20 BPM is a huge deal at speeds like this) for its difficulty to begin with. The patterning definitely bumps it up. Other than that though, there really aren't any tough parts about the file. It's either that you have the one hand trilling speed and consistency or you don't honestly.

Also, about the 92-94s, this is how I'd put it:
92: Extratone Pirates (I honestly think it's a 93, but the leaderboards don't really reflect it), A Quick Death, System Doctor
93: White Walls Part 2, Jamais Vu, Husigi Usagi Milk Tei, The Wises Were Wrong, Winter Wind Etude (a lot of people find the ending a lot easier than I thought they would)
94: Crowdpleaser, Unconnected

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

Jamais Vu is a lot more dense than Extratone Pirates and going to what ilikexd said, it does have many hidden trilling patterns mixed with jumps in them. If the player does not realize these one handed trills, it is very easy to fall behind.

Putting Extratone Pirates with A Quick Death makes more sense. If anything, I had a lot more trouble just HITTING A Quick Death than Extratone Pirates, both songs are at the same speed anyways (250 BPM).

Edit: White Walls is much harder to FC than everything listed in the 92 range, so it deserves to be bumped up. Even the scoreboards reflect this, and it's rated considerably lower than Revolutionary Etude.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

@Eze, Husigi 93? Maybe if the frames get touched up, but with those horrible pseudo-jumps in the 64th walls and some other really disgusting parts, eh..

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

Honestly, if I had it my way, I would move A Quick Death to 93, haha. There's only two AAAs on that file, which shares the same fate as Jamais Vu. Of course, that's a purely statistical opinion...

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

A Quick Death is harder to read than Extratone Pirates and its 32nd sections require far more control than EP.

I would be up for fixing up Husigi. Currently it is gross, but I have a lot on my mind right now.

Re: Jamais Vu [93 or 94]

I guess this thread is now about EP.

I agree that AQD is a tad harder than EP now that Halogen and Dossar brought it up.

So, no doubt EP 93-> 92 ?