Rarity Attempts 400 Dresses (LOOMING MIX) [75 or 77]

Re: Rarity attemps 400 Dresses 75 or 77

Approved, we'll see what you guys have to say about this one.

My reasoning for 76 (I've since asked the Game Managers to bump it to 76, so that'll be the min rating at the conclusion of this thread) is that 32nd rolls at this speed (250bpm) are already encountered in mid-FMO songs such as Famicom Selecta, which is currently sitting at 72. Dumping more of them in a file at this speed certainly raises the overall difficulty of the file (unfortunately more so on an artificial level due to framer issues at bpms above 225) but not so much as to extend the difficulty to FGO territory. I will say though that the minitrill transitions that occur four times throughout the file after 32nds can be awkward to PA.

I think this file sits well as a high FMO. The file's mostly [12] and [34] jumps + jumptrilling; I really don't see the need to extend the difficulty beyond 76.

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Yeah what OWA said. It doesnt really need to go past 76 really. This is a file where you either can or cant do it well. Its mostly just jumps and easily jumptrillable bursts and crap. BUT if this gets to be a 77+, then this will be my scarhand get because then ill whore it and i know with some practice i can nail this lmao

Re: Rarity Attempts 400 Dresses (LOOMING MIX) [75 or 77]

Completely agree with Rob. I was fine with it at a 75 simply because the only actual difficulty from the file (aside from the framer issues that FFR contributes by default) comes from the transitions into and out of the 32nds -- namely those trills, the repeated jumps that favour the left hand (I love to get boos here), and those green grace notes that can just be hit like jumps but might still interrupt the flow for you.

As far as overall pattern choice goes for a higher BPM song though, it's still quite friendly.

Re: Rarity Attempts 400 Dresses (LOOMING MIX) [75 or 77]

OP updated.

Re: Rarity Attempts 400 Dresses (LOOMING MIX) [75 or 77]

76 to me; the framers errywhere need luck to hit well and needs good anticipation for jumptrilling them correctly

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I'll try to get to frame fixes on this soon. In its current state some of the 32nd bursts create 2 frame minijacks and zeroframers are ugly. The 64ths should also be all jumps lol

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If you're going to do frame fixes for the file, I hope you don't completely rid the file of zero frame gaps within 32nd rolls. Otherwise all of the rolls will play at 225bpm instead of 250bpm, which isn't right. I'd just fix the frames in such a way that there aren't any 1[23]4 or 4[32]1 patterns within the rolls (if they even exist). And fixing crap like this:



As well as the 64ths of course.

The zero framers shouldn't be completely eliminated imo, otherwise the rolls will play slower in comparison to the rest of the file.

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I think a 76-77 would be fine. Those jump sections with the rolls can be very PA breaking if you're not constantly on the move.

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I find 76 to be really accurate. This is hard to explain but it doesn't feel like it should be an fgo, but it currently plays very similar to one.

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Voting 75. I just don't see how this is harder than a single one of the files listed as a 75, except MAYBE Hellhounds. It looks more like a 74 to me.

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76. Constant jumptrilling within 1-2 frames is all luck when you're playing a 3-frame perfect window. Do that multiple times and it gets dumb. It's such an artificial difficulty to the game and file. Also, those 16th trills and awkward jumpstream patterns are hard. I don't see this even comparing to Mario Minor or Hellhounds.

It fits right up there with Mermaid Island, Flesvelka, and Crash Up Against the Inevitable.

imo, rolls shouldn't be allowed over 225/240. Anything after that is just getting stupid with fake difficulty.

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Doesn't this make it a lot easier to jumptrill?

Also, I agree with it being a 76, it's pretty tough to hit the jumps consistently well to PA.

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It's just my opinion, but no. rolls should be rollable, not mashed. when you have 1 frame gapped rolls, you have a 2 frame window to hit a perfect. Hit the early perfect window of the first arrow, it's a good for the second. Hit the late perfect for the second arrow, the first arrow is a good.

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I've honestly been very adamant about leaving this at 75. The files extremely straightforward and the patterns are really not that tricky, there's like ONE bad anchor that occurs twice, since the end is the same as the beginning. The middle's also an easy break so the song isn't that stamina draining, it just requires some speed. Since it doesn't require constant streaming either (actually the 16th bursts flow really well and are infrequent enough to not cause many problems) so really the song doesn't require that much speed either, just 250bpm 8th jumping. That's speed, but it's not like reality. I like to compare this song to Tsugihagi construction and Of Course I Need and Need and Need You. Tsugihagi is like a much tougher version of this song, because it requires some awkward one handed patterns, has a more varied jumpstream with lots more 16ths, and the rolls are harder to jumptrill. Tsugihagi is pretty much a tougher version of this song, so it's reasonable that it's higher than this song, making this song automatically below 77. Of Course I Need is fast, and has lots of jumps and 16th bursts as well, the only real difference in difficulty of the two songs I'd say are the 32nds in this one, but since you can straight up jumptrill them I don't see a huge difference in difficulty, and everyone does well on Of Course.

So now it looks like a 75, is definitely below 77 (since tsugihagi is the same song with more frequent and complex patterns), why not 76? Well let's look at the 76's. PianoXForteXScandal, Flesvelka, Mermaid Island, Kono Spoon, Ripoff, etc. All these songs are PA nightmares, and are far harder to PA than this song, and most I'd argue are harder to FC. No patterns in this song compare to Ripoff or Mermaid Island, or even worse, PXFXS. This song is not only easier to FC that these songs (you can mash FC this one pretty well, but the jacks in the other ones are hard, and clean FC wise I'd also argue Kono Spoon, Flesvelka, and Ripoff are harder). So these songs are a lot harder to PA, arguably harder to clean FC, and overall harder to do/score well on, by a comfortable amount. They just might not be as easy to FC if you don't have the speed. It's really a speed thing but in comparison to songs above it and below it, I think 75 suits it perfectly fine, right above Of Course You Need Me