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  • Coolboyrulez0
    VICES
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    FFR Music Producer
    • Aug 2006
    • 10042

    #1

    Fixing Song Title Inconsistencies

    Yup -- here to do what the title suggests seeing as his songs titles are grossly inconsistent and it's starting to bug me.

    Too bad FFR doesn't really care and is not going to fix them because people know these songs under what they are called now even though it's incorrect in most cases -- still going to give it a shot. (ignorance is bliss!)

    Going with official ID3tag mp3 names or if it's from albums with the databased names.



    S.S.H:
    Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival -> Final Fantasy IV, V, VII, IX ~ Last Battle Festival
    Big Blue -> F-Zero ~ Big Blue
    Holy Orders -> Guilty Gear ~ Holy Orders (Be Just or Be Dead) (Exploding Festival Ver.)
    Radio Heads is correct? (not in my collection)
    Momentary Life -> Guilty Gear ~ Momentary Life
    Fake Jazz is correct
    Brandish Headless -> Brandish ~ Headless or Brandish / Headless
    Shining Sword is correct
    Travel Demon -> Akumajou Dracula Series ~ Travel Demon (Medley)
    Phantom Ensemble is correct
    Big Blue v2 -> F-Zero ~ Big Blue v2
    Dance and Zeal is correct
    Night Walker is correct
    Mermaid Island -> Higemaru Makaijima ~ Mermaid Island
    Try to Star -> Gradius III ~ Try To Star
    Nightrain is correct
    Demon Beast Appearance -> Eiyuu Densetsu III ~ Demon Beast Appearance
    VS Boss Battle -> Ai Senshi Nicol ~ VS Boss Battle (btw he has 3 different vs boss battle songs)
    Since 1983 -> Black/Matrix ~ Since 1983

    DJ Sharpnel:
    Little God Channel -> Little God CH@Nnel or Little God Ch@nnel (he uses both depending on what album / compilation he appears)
    Tori No Uta -> Torinouta (The Speedfreak's Noise Rave Remix)

    t+pazolite:
    R/\IN -> R∧IN (might not have special character but you should and it should be used)
    of course you need... shortened because too long, okay.




    Two things can be done to finally make things consistent.

    Fix them all to the provided names, nice and easily
    or
    Stick with the remove Franchise idea and turn things like Brandish Headless to Headless and FFLBL to Last Battle Fantasy. (don't like this one)

    PS: Feel free to comment or chime in any way. Btw no this didn't take too long to make, actually.
    Last edited by bmah; 08-7-2012, 01:43 PM.
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  • Xx{Midnight}xX
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2007
    • 8548

    #2
    Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

    I'd like to see them titled properly because isn't that what we're supposed to be doing in the first place?

    Also I recall I think it was Bmah in the TB chat saying there were a lot of misnamed songs in FFR.

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    • Coolboyrulez0
      VICES
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Music Producer
      • Aug 2006
      • 10042

      #3
      Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

      I concur with you completely, Middie. We should respect the author and HIS naming imo.

      Also yes bmah is correct there are some fixes needed to current song names... I do recall making a list when Tass was still admin but he basically ignored it and said it was of no big concern... prick.
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      • Winrar
        Quasi-porn
        • Jan 2008
        • 1843

        #4
        Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

        +1

        Originally posted by Staiain
        I'm sorry but... *flicks hair* I don't DO 0.x rates 8)

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        • bmah
          shots FIRED
          Profile Moderator
          FFR Simfile Author
          Global Moderator
          • Oct 2003
          • 8448

          #5
          Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

          I'm definitely going to change all incorrect song names in the near future. However, several older songs will require a name change that is nearly or completely different from their current names. Old-time players may struggle to recognize the names of the songs they were familiar with. As such, a front page announcement on these changes will probably be made.

          It all starts by compiling a comprehensive list, so please help us out.



          Note: songs with extremely long names cannot be fully encompassed, so they have been truncated. Don't bother with these ones.
          Last edited by bmah; 08-6-2012, 07:46 PM.

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          • Coolboyrulez0
            VICES
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Aug 2006
            • 10042

            #6
            Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

            Awesome news!

            If you would like I could add some more changes of artists I personally know the song titles to be false. (to the current op)

            I guess a re-naming of the thread should be in order then to not just limit it to SSH
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            • qqwref
              stepmania archaeologist
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Aug 2005
              • 4092

              #7
              Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

              As for all those SSH names: nope, this is stupid. It's exactly like the debate we had several months back about renaming classical pieces - all you're doing is adding extra information (in this case, the name of the video game the original remix is from) that makes the song titles longer without making it any easier to find what you're looking for. We might as well start adding newgrounds ID numbers to all the generic techno songs on the site.

              As for Sharpnel: Good call, those two should be fixed
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              • Coolboyrulez0
                VICES
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                • Aug 2006
                • 10042

                #8
                Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                Originally posted by MrPopadopalis25
                so does that mean foreign language song titles are going to be all either translated into english or left in their native languages or romaji or whatevs?
                I personally prefer the kanji but I think the game might not be capable of handling these (which it's 2012 -- every flash game I know supports foreign characters and special characters)

                if not romaji I'd assume.
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                • bmah
                  shots FIRED
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                  • Oct 2003
                  • 8448

                  #9
                  Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                  List everything you can find, but be aware that not everything may be fixed, due to redundancy, overly long song names, etc. For instance, it looks like many S.S.H. song titles include the game name the song originated from, which seems rather unnecessary and in some cases, too long.

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                  • Coolboyrulez0
                    VICES
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                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 10042

                    #10
                    Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                    Originally posted by qqwref
                    As for all those SSH names: nope, this is stupid. It's exactly like the debate we had several months back about renaming classical pieces - all you're doing is adding extra information (in this case, the name of the video game the original remix is from) that makes the song titles longer without making it any easier to find what you're looking for. We might as well start adding newgrounds ID numbers to all the generic techno songs on the site.
                    Wrong -- it's the actual song names given by the artist not "extra information" lmfao

                    at least make them consistent by adding all or remove all game prefixes not this hodgepodge of half-this, half-that.

                    also yes all the classical pieces SHOULD be fixed they are atrocious but seeing as I am not an expert in that specific field of music I'll leave it to more capable persons to fix it.

                    Also, bmah... What to do about wrong ARTISTS? haha (I know 2 cases right off of my head)
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                    • qqwref
                      stepmania archaeologist
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 4092

                      #11
                      Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                      Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0
                      I personally prefer the kanji
                      because it's sooooo awesome to try to talk about songs with titles written in unreadable ideograms

                      Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0
                      Wrong it's the actual song names given by the artist not "extra information" lmfao
                      No, it's definitely extra information. For instance, "F-Zero ~ Big Blue v2". Obviously they're just listing the game name (and I guess in some cases the actual composer) first - the title of the song itself is Big Blue v2 (-> Big Blue for FFR purposes, since we use v# to signify chart versions). Just because they choose to label their songs that way doesn't mean that's the way the song titles ought to be written.
                      Last edited by qqwref; 08-6-2012, 08:03 PM.
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                      • Coolboyrulez0
                        VICES
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                        • Aug 2006
                        • 10042

                        #12
                        Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                        Originally posted by qqwref
                        because it's sooooo awesome to try to talk about songs with titles written in unreadable ideograms


                        No, it's definitely extra information. For instance, "F-Zero ~ Big Blue v2". Obviously they're just listing the game name (and I guess in some cases the actual composer) first - the title of the song itself is Big Blue v2 (-> Big Blue for FFR purposes, since we use v# to signify chart versions). Just because they choose to label their songs that way doesn't mean that's the way the song titles ought to be written.
                        Lmfao dude what's wrong with your attitude.

                        God are you an annoying poster, holy shit -- I said romaji is perfectly fine unless you dont know what that means.

                        also mfw you dictate the artist how to label their songs... are you this dumb or just trolling? (ps: i addressed this in both ways possible and you fail to read that removal is totally a valid option. oops illiteracy fail)

                        I can call my next tune "qqwref is a ****** - super mario. bros theme remix (CBR edit)" and you can't do shit about it.

                        @MrPop: yeah I think so too but isn't it sad that a (flash) game in 2012 can't support special characters? haha
                        Last edited by Coolboyrulez0; 08-6-2012, 08:07 PM.
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                        • TC_Halogen
                          Rhythm game specialist.
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                          • Feb 2008
                          • 19376

                          #13
                          Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                          Mermaid Island -> Higemaru Makaijima ~ Mermaid Island
                          Being that you actually know the title of this song, I feel like it's necessary to ask you if you have this song. I got this song from a ITG pack (Tachyon Alpha) and converted the .ogg (already lossy) to .mp3 (even more lossy). Do you have a better quality audio file that could be added to the .swf?

                          I can take the beatbox and adjust the audio as necessary so that it can be added to the game without issues, it would just be up to bmah/JX to add it for me.

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                          • Plan_Bsk81127
                            snooches
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 6420

                            #14
                            Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                            I dont see a point in this. The songs are just fine how they are now.

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                            • qqwref
                              stepmania archaeologist
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 4092

                              #15
                              Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

                              For anyone who's having trouble following, my argument is essentially this: it's more important for titles to be useful to players than for them to be "technically correct". Whenever there's a conflict between those two - and this is one of those times - useful titles should always come first.


                              Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0
                              Lmfao dude what's wrong with your attitude.

                              God are you an annoying poster, holy shit -- I said romaji is perfectly fine unless you dont know what that means.

                              also mfw you dictate the artist how to label their songs... are you this dumb or just trolling? (ps: i addressed this in both ways possible and you fail to read that removal is totally a valid option. oops illiteracy fail)

                              I can call my next tune "qqwref is a ****** - super mario. bros theme remix (CBR edit)" and you can't do shit about it.
                              umad?
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