Fixing Song Title Inconsistencies

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

Nice flame baiting, enjoy your 3 day ban. Bye, now stop gaying up my thread -- you aren't wanted here. (or at all in this community, really)

PS: Are you even hearing your argument? You are basically saying if a book has a certain title that is too complex for the community or the community does not enjoy it should be changed or simplified? It should ALWAYS be the artist's /authors intended title, period. End of discussion because there isn't one. You are arguing the impossible and know you are wrong.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

The names used in FFR need to appeal the to players -- considering that this site only allows english (and almost everyone on here knows some english), it would make sense to use english titles rather than unreadable kanji. Kanji takes a ridiculous amount of time to learn and also requires special language packs to display properly on your computer screen; however, in the following paragraph, I explain why using special characters is a big no-no.

Something as simple as ~Absolute Zero~ for example, the tildes appear as boxes ingame. Changing song titles to kanji would make the song titles unreadable and utterly useless to the player. It would be just as bad as having no title at all.

If I'm searching for a song title, I want the song title, not a bunch of extra information. qqwref explained this pretty well, but his point is being distorted. The artist provides this information for anyone interested in the origin, not to make titles cumbersome.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

I dont see a point in this. The songs are just fine how they are now.

It's mostly for the sake of consistency when comparing the actual titles that the artist has put out. Everyone on the site knows the songs as they are, but that make them right either.

It's just like Kidney Stone, which should be A Kidney Stone. The song was created for a very large ITG tournament with the intent of being at the end of a stamina course. When people passed it, they would be able to say that they passed a kidney stone, while being punny toward the song name, haha.

I personally feel like discrepancies like this should be taken care of, for accuracy's sake.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

To elaborate more with an example: If I told someone to play the song, I wouldn't say Final Fantasy Four Five Seven Nine Last Battle Festival, I would say Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival. Now if the person was curious as to what games were included, THEN you could tell them to check the artist's website and obtain the information from there.

Honestly, this just makes the titles unnecessarily cumbersome. Rather than change the titles to these, this information should be provided in the Ingame Song Information Thread. Whatever happened to this thread, anyway? It's been dead forever.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

Oh dossar, don't get me wrong at all -- that's an approach that's fine but the way he delivered his statement calling my idea "stupid" and using dry sarcasm to push his idea was a bit uncalled for, don't you say. I would have welcomed his deviation of opinions with open arms would he had just taken the proper approach like Plan and yourself.

Remember, treat others how you want to be treated. Post like shit, get owned by CBR on the forums. Pretty easy, right?

We'll let the higher ups here decide -- I stand behind the "purist" idea of wishing to convene the original meaning of the piece by using the artist given title... that is all.

[00Razor00]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

It's been dead ever since my request to add "One" to 'Minute Waltz v2' (for consistency issues obviously) got rejected.

[igotrhythm]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

+1 to putting the full "proper" titles in the Ingame Song Info thread. If the songs that went into TGWP and other medleys are listed there, why not FFLBF?

However, this sort of in-engine correction based on user input isn't unprecedented. :/

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

The situation is understandable when it is something like the Kidney Stone issue or like the two sharpnel song issues (minor fixes for the title to be technically correct), but for the SSH issues it just doesnt seem needed despite it being correct. All it is doing is making the title longer for the sake of mentioning the game its from or whatever just so it is technically correct. Sure having the title being as it is supposed to be should be a must, but in some cases it needs to be user friendly for the game itself. I dont see what is so hard about knowing when something in a title is not needed. Havent people learned making things technically correct makes things worse, just look at FFR files being released the past year or so.

[Stage:]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

The situation is understandable when it is something like the Kidney Stone issue or like the two sharpnel song issues (minor fixes for the title to be technically correct), but for the SSH issues it just doesnt seem needed despite it being correct. All it is doing is making the title longer for the sake of mentioning the game its from or whatever just so it is technically correct. Sure having the title being as it is supposed to be should be a must, but in some cases it needs to be user friendly for the game itself. I dont see what is so hard about knowing when something in a title is not needed. Havent people learned making things technically correct makes things worse, just look at FFR files being released the past year or so.

Yeah I agree, and I'm pretty sure that SSH dude only added those informations so that we know what game the actual song is taken from.

Btw, saying ''stupid'' is not that big of a deal, he explained what he had too in a nice logical and understandable way (and everyone is for once) so stop trippin

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

ITT: CBR gets butt hurt by someone being rude with their response

Changing titles is cool if its reasonable(little god channel, a kidney stone, cinnamon roll) stuff like ssh and classical is dumb considering the visible character limitation.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

I dont get how I'm supposed to be butthurt when I just owned the shit out of him and his argument but okay ?_?

guess i'm mad and butthurt and didnt know it, my bad

ps: while this is about creationism this is entertaining and rather educational about general argument fallacies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH0vQ...feature=g-vrec (ps: we all make some of these argument fallacies)

[foilman8805]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

CBR is a ******

respect to qqwref

the song titles are such a small part of this game, and truthfully, they have little meaning to most players. take it from someone who has played this game for 6 years. i couldn't give a shit about the song names.

perhaps you should compromise on this instead of being a stubborn dickhead. leave the titles of the songs in game the way they are and perhaps edit the FFR song list which, ideally, is where that information can be better accommodated and appreciated. that way you have what you want, and the people that play the game can still keep track of their favorite songs.

[bmah]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

Let's focus on the topic at hand.

Most of the song titles I've been thinking of changing are those originating from OCRemix. The problem is almost inverse to what CBR is suggesting with S.S.H. songs: many old songs on FFR feature the game title within the actual title of the song. In otherwords, I intend to remove excess baggage from those songs.

As for the inconsistency regarding Japanese song titles being translated to English or Romajii, I'm not overly concerned about it. Generally speaking, if the English translation makes sense, I'd use that instead. In many cases though, there's only a "rough equivalent" of an English translation so it doesn't sound quite right. In those cases, I just use the Romajii name.

[Jake Ferguson]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

In all seriousness, here's an example of why I think your idea is unecessary, save for the shrapnel songs:

This is a screenshot of DJ-Radman's newgrounds that we have permission for.
All of his songs have his own name in them.
So if someone steps one of his songs and it gets accepted, it will have his name in the title as well as him as the author.
I'm going to have to go with qqwref on this one and say that's pretty stupid.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Fixing S.S.H. Song title Inconsistencies

[...] leave the titles of the songs in game the way they are and perhaps edit the FFR song list which, ideally, is where that information can be better accommodated and appreciated. that way you have what you want, and the people that play the game can still keep track of their favorite songs.

you know, I thought about this too, and I'm really glad someone else mentioned it. I figured it was just too much of an issue/unnecessary. Artists are more likely going to be concerned with a part of the site that display not only their song names, but also their proper artist names (or alias names), websites, and other means of contact.

With FFR's current setup, I don't know if it's possible to change the song list or the in-game appearance without affecting one another. I think the engine and the song list generate information from the same database table.

EDIT:

This is a screenshot of DJ-Radman's newgrounds that we have permission for.
All of his songs have his own name in them.
So if someone steps one of his songs and it gets accepted, it will have his name in the title as well as him as the author.
I'm going to have to go with qqwref on this one and say that's pretty stupid.

You can't really use this scenario though, because it's obviously not an addition to the song title, it's just a way to differentiate himself from other artists on NG. Sessilenomad tags his songs with SN before the actual name, but it's implied that he's just tagging his artist name.