TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

**leetic** · 02-22-2025, 07:24 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by mellon_collie

the main person pushing for Weiss if your top town tho? why do you think he's a distraction?

It's a waste of discussion as I've explained multiple times. But being obstinate on that issue is not necessarily wolf indicative. Indeed, Weiss is such a low hanging fruit that it would not be without risk for a wolf to tunnel them without seeming opportunistic, although I wouldn't depend on that by itself.

**MixMasterLar** · 02-22-2025, 07:24 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by roundbox

you know me and my propensity to vote early

that being said, I am actively looking for a place to put my vote but H&H is probably 30 minutes away from another wallpost for me to read him

I like Ara's defense. Lar saying "And yeah, you do have to react. Hell, that is a large part of the game! But you also have to push it forward to and add to it and I just didn't see that from you. Still don't." seems like awfully high expectations for someone that just reentered thread after saying they'd be gone for a hot minute

I'm from Florida I don't know what that word means

More serious response: I am willing to admit it is high expectations but to be fair my initial read was made like page 4 based on post made before I even entered the thread. I don't think it's really fair to say I'm being unrealistic now when Ara is the one still talking about ot as a centerpiece to their post

But i'll keep in mind I do get tunneled and build high expectations for early scumreads sometimes so, I'll let them breathe and play

**MixMasterLar** · 02-22-2025, 07:27 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by bugkid666

i actually already responded to that here:

it's specifically that roundbox defended me saying the slip isnt that relevant when in reality if he were a wolf it would be to his benefit to keep me around as a buffer. as much as it sucks i feel like its the more towny thing to want to solve my slot

I see

Of course there's a world were he is your partner and that's some obvious defending but heh, kinda dont feel like it's worth entertaining Day One without flips

**roundbox** · 02-22-2025, 07:30 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by MixMasterLar

I'm from Florida I don't know what that word means

habit; proclivity

**MixMasterLar** · 02-22-2025, 07:31 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by roundbox

I would also never pursue slip theory to vote someone out

This is true but I feel I've seen you definitely go back and review players who've slipped like this in past games?

**FreezinIce** · 02-22-2025, 07:31 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

I know how to count I promise votecount count:

bugkid (2): Hakulyte, leetic
Weiss (2): MixMasterLar, mellon_collie
Hateandhatred (1): bugkid

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EOD in about 2.5 hours

**leetic** · 02-22-2025, 07:31 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Like, if we're going on that point I feel raeko was much more opportunistic with the Weiss push than MML was. MML's push had conviction, raeko was pretty much like "this is okay I guess".

**MixMasterLar** · 02-22-2025, 07:35 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Still ultimately ok with Ara or Bug lynch, but probably policy voting Weiss unless there's a need to solve a tie or save a strong town read

**roundbox** · 02-22-2025, 07:36 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

OMG Ara quoting raeko's hateandhatred vote made me think he had more votes

hateandhatred for now

**mellon_collie** · 02-22-2025, 07:36 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

Like, if we're going on that point I feel raeko was much more opportunistic with the Weiss push than MML was. MML's push had conviction, raeko was pretty much like "this is okay I guess".

I never pushed Weiss for real. I said I hoped they would show up and put a pressure vote on them hoping they would see it

Lar pushed to actually vote Weiss out of the game, and I understand where he's coming from because replacements do tend to go the way he said on FFR. But my vote was a pressure vote. and hoping I could replicate the magic of H&H appearing right after I voted for H&H

**roundbox** · 02-22-2025, 07:39 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

Like, if we're going on that point I feel raeko was much more opportunistic with the Weiss push than MML was. MML's push had conviction, raeko was pretty much like "this is okay I guess".

Originally posted by roundbox

Lar's Weiss vote is lame
Raeko's Weiss vote is, well, not a real vote (I hope)

this is how I felt at the time
I was about to say similar, but mellon's intent read differently than MML's

**leetic** · 02-22-2025, 07:39 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by MixMasterLar

Still ultimately ok with Ara or Bug lynch, but probably policy voting Weiss unless there's a need to solve a tie or save a strong town read

Here's the thing: Ara/Bug CWs (or substitute your preferred player(s)) would result in much more EoD drama that could be useful to read for future phases than a scenario where one of the involves players doesn't say anything. If we really want that slot dead just tell the Freikugel to kill them (unless Weiss is the Freikugel, but that'd still result in a good outcome for town).

**leetic** · 02-22-2025, 07:41 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by mellon_collie

I never pushed Weiss for real. I said I hoped they would show up and put a pressure vote on them hoping they would see it

Lar pushed to actually vote Weiss out of the game, and I understand where he's coming from because replacements do tend to go the way he said on FFR. But my vote was a pressure vote. and hoping I could replicate the magic of H&H appearing right after I voted for H&H

You sheepishly said you agreed with MML's logic though? That is at the very least complicity in the push and I don't like you trying to deflect

**Hakulyte** · 02-22-2025, 07:41 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

I'd recommend voting outside of Weiss because this exists:

"When the Vengeful Spirit is killed during the day by vote, the person they were voting for is also killed. If they were not voting for anyone upon death, then a random town player is killed instead."

**MixMasterLar** · 02-22-2025, 07:42 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

Here's the thing: Ara/Bug CWs (or substitute your preferred player(s)) would result in much more EoD drama that could be useful to read for future phases than a scenario where one of the involves players doesn't say anything. If we really want that slot dead just tell the Freikugel to kill them (unless Weiss is the Freikugel, but that'd still result in a good outcome for town).

I'll will always take less info now versus dead slots stalling the game later. Period. I've made that mistake too many times

TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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