Song Corrections Thread

**bmah** · 01-2-2013, 12:01 AM

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5 OC Remixers : If we drop out Game Remix as a genre, then Pops should be used. But I really don't know what Pops is. Is it a derivative of Pop ?

Actually, it's probably one of those inconsistencies like many other genres. "Pops" is just as acceptable as "Pop", but I think we'll just stick with the latter.

Toxic : I do think Post-Hardcore is an accurate genre for the song. As far as Hardcore (EDM) goes, I don't think it is very confusing. There's also Hardcore Hip Hop or Hardcore Punk which are two other genres that have no link whatsoever to Hardcore music.

I was more concerned about "Hardcore" being mixed up in terms of a noun. If you look here, most of the music on FFR that's labelled as "Hardcore" is probably digital hardcore; however, I never ever see that term being used, and such music is often just referred to as "hardcore". Hence my concern for the mixup between "hardcore punk/metal" vs "hardcore dance music". Both are legitimate existing genres, but frequently call themselves "hardcore" (and hardly anything else otherwise).

A. Dvorak : Was wondering why there's no classical composer with its full name. Is this to save space ?

I don't know. That was probably an arbitrary decision, but typically if someone's name is too long, it's common to just spell out the last name. Maybe this one was done as an attempt for maintaining that consistency.

Ieva's Polka (Basshunter Remix) : Is the genre more known as "Hands Up" ?

Certainly. Hands/Handz Up is sometimes referred to as Eurodance as well. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Up

I'll even quote something legit from the Urban Dictionary (out of all places):
"A genre of trance music which typically ranges between 138 and 145 BPM. It has themes in common with Euro, Trance, Happy Hardcore, and Hardstyle. It is typically unpretentious; very poppy and commercial."

BELUGA : Link still works (http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a060881/). Muzie changed its domain from co.jp to ne.jp. That's where some of the mistakes in the links come from notably. Thanks for the link! I'll try to find more about him now I know a little bit more about him.

I checked that already, and I didn't make mention of that because of this: link works, but I highly highly doubt it's the same person. I've never seen eoll be known as SummerXpress. However, if it still matters to you, I can find eoll's email address (but no website).

**V-Ormix** · 01-2-2013, 12:03 AM

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I did not read anything in this thread, whats going on?

edit: never mind, I got it.

**Crazyjayde** · 01-2-2013, 12:03 AM

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Quick opinion on what I think would be preferable on what is discussed:

- Tags like 'remix' or 'feat' should not be integrated into a song unless it is part of the official naming. External tagging from the site should remain in brackets. I believe the Stepmania difficulty scheme and the Version tags makes stepfiles more recognizable and specific to the site. Thus, v1, v2, etc. should be put in brackets. (but that's just me)
- Composers should only be adopted to the classical genre, as the original author is as important as the arranger. For video games, medleys or anything in that matter, only the interpret should be identified.
- Foreign language songs should stay in their native language for the sake of overcoming capitalization and interpretation issues. (unless translated by author) It might be drastic, but song names should remain identical to their official release.
- If we can sort out a way with Velocity of using special characters in the game (which has already been tempted), then the official naming should be added. Otherwise we'll have to discuss about a proper alternative name if there's need to.
- We will not proceed into contacting musicians unless we are not sure about the status of their permission on being featured on the site. That being said, it is to be used as a last resort.
- About genres, to be honest, I have no clue how to sort them out properly as most of it belongs to public opinion and the artist's discretion.

Originally posted by bmah

What I'm thinking is to make a front page post to let everyone know that a number of changes were made to FFR's songs. They can then be directed to this thread and become informed. After a while, people will get to recognize songs by their proper titles for once. There'll definitely be a transitionary period before that happens though.

This is exactly what I'm thinking. I know it's not the site priority right now, but song names should be labelled correctly, at least the most blatant mistakes. To me it's a matter of credibility and quality. We were also discussing earlier about a front page post and it seemed the most logical thing to do. (thanks bmah) Most users do not frequent forums though, and there needs to be some kind of transition. So what is the best that can be done?

Huge thanks for the links and info bmah, I'll look these up again before going down on the list. (still don't know how the f I missed 44teru-k's personal page)

EDIT: About that Hardcore shenanigan. I believe Post-Hardcore and Hardcore as an EDM genre is not that big of a mixup.

They both have been around long enough to be distinguishable. I get your point though. Might be because I'm not coming from an electronic background all that much.

**bmah** · 01-2-2013, 12:12 AM

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- If we can sort out a way with Velocity of using special characters in the game (which has already been tempted), then the official naming should be added.

From what Velocity has told me, the font set used doesn't support special characters either because the set never had those characters in the first place, or that the set we have is a free/demo font set - where I presume the full font set with special characters would come at an additional cost. In any case, I would like to get this clarified.

**popsicle_3000** · 01-2-2013, 06:28 AM

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Let's definitely not start contacting artists. At this point, if someone kicks up a fuss upon seeing theirMusic here, we can point to permission given, but if they tell us to take it off the site because we reminded them... then bye bye song

**Crazyjayde** · 01-2-2013, 01:46 PM

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I have contacted Velocity about special characters compatibility, search query alternatives and other questions. We'll know about this later on.

I'm thinking this thread is a temporary proposition to modifications so we can all agree on what changes should be applied. I believe an official thread could be made out of this? I'm up to helping on creating something we can publish.

Originally posted by popsicle_3000

then bye bye song

Yeah well that's definitely not what's intended. I believe there's some problems with the permissions granted from S.S.H., those kind of situation definitely should not be forced. Can this be something that can be held against the site, in a legal manner? As it probably won't happen either way but I'm p curious as what's the position on this, and I don't believe there's any kind of terms & agreements signed from both parties whatsoever.

Btw, I'm looking at team holic's page as of right now (http://www.muzie.ne.jp/artist/a046080/), and I was wondering, since there's no name credited under "teraholic", if D-Suke's has been part of the production or if it's really just 44teru? (don't know if it was part of the BMS of Fighters 07' since I can't find any archive on this). In that case shouldn't it be tagged "44teru-k/D-Suke" or even "holic"?

EDIT: Just thought about this, but, is it justified to leave the [Heavy] tags if there is no other counterparts apart from Stepmania? Just wondering if some of those seemed out of place now.

**noname219** · 01-4-2013, 10:16 PM

is...

Some corrections/modifications we made on this list.

Might release letter D next week.

**bmah** · 01-4-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by noname219

Constructor~ : Important modifications.

where?

**noname219** · 01-4-2013, 10:54 PM

reading...

Woop, I wasn't really specific on that one.

I basically just removed the note to change beyond the summer sky ~Maid To Order~ to Beyond the Summer Sky ~Maid to Order~, since there's not enough solid source on that.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 01-6-2013, 07:06 AM

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This is an amazing project and undertaking and glad this is being done.

That being said, is it possible to change my artist name to CBR in-game and in the list provided?
If I recall correctly, I just used Coolboyrulez0 to receive credit for the composition (which is sadly very dated) but CBR has been my artist name for at least 2-3 years now.

On another note, I'll look over all the changes with what knowledge I have, but so far everything seems superb. Great work, once again.

**noname219** · 01-6-2013, 11:18 AM

my posts.

Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0

That being said, is it possible to change my artist name to CBR in-game and in the list provided?
If I recall correctly, I just used Coolboyrulez0 to receive credit for the composition (which is sadly very dated) but CBR has been my artist name for at least 2-3 years now.

Done.
Just to make sure, I put your Soundcloud as the new link, what do you prefer ?

Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0

On another note, I'll look over all the changes with what knowledge I have, but so far everything seems superb. Great work, once again.

Sounds good and thanks.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 01-6-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by noname219

Done.
Just to make sure, I put your Soundcloud as the new link, what do you prefer ?

Yup, that is where my recent material is posted!

Soundclick is my older material. (pre 2010 iirc)

Additionally, I release some stuff here sometimes too, if you'd like to add this: http://cbrrecords.bandcamp.com/

**Crazyjayde** · 01-8-2013, 01:46 PM

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Update on Velocity's response:

Originally posted by Velocity

Limits (in characters):
Song Name: 50
Song Style: 20
Song Author: 75
Song Step Author: 75
Song Step Author URL: 100
Song Step Author URL: 100

If it's longer then this, the name will be cutoff as this is the max char limit in the database. In game depends on what characters are used in the name.

Font Map:

http://i.imgur.com/UxlfP.png

If the character isn't shown here, it won't appear in the engine. Tilde (~) shows as a block too, so that shouldn't really be used.

Search:
Substituting characters in searches are quite hard to do, since I don't have regex to help me out and limited replace functionally as it is. So there's not much I could do in this field.

I have replied him and asked about the possibility of making an update to Neuropol X Regular or supporting any other special characters.
Still waiting for the response while continuing the list.

__________________________

Here's some links and threads that have greatly helped us:

The TARDIS: http://archive.org/web/web.php

FFR Music Store: http://web.archive.org/web/200410100...x.php?cPath=23
Touhou Music DB: http://touhoumusic.rrbits.com
VGMDB: http://vgmdb.net/album/17976

Classical Music Attribution: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=120945
iPatch's Nicknames and Works: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ad.php?t=61525
Origins of Songs: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=124345
Samples List: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ad.php?t=91241
Sharpnel Errors and Inconsistencies: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=126429
SSH/Overall Song List Inconsistencies Debate: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=125209
Where to Find FFR's Music: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ad.php?t=28815
Where to Find FFR's Music Update: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ad.php?t=85067

**noname219** · 01-9-2013, 10:02 PM

If...

Biggest update since the beginning of this.

Added more information about character display, limit of characters and substituting values in the [8] Random stuff section.
Added section [9.3] Other useful links with very important information we're using for this research.

Thinking about it, we could contact the artists if they have a profile on the website and ONLY on their FFR profile.

Andreas Kuch (slight change in the proposition)
Mario Mix For Piano -> Mario Mix for Piano

Added more widget corrections :

And...... letter D.

This took more time than I expected. It was definitely the longest so far with all the DJs, dBu, Draigun, DJ Sharpnel and the very complex Dr1010.

**Zageron** · 01-15-2013, 01:45 AM

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I'll see about getting a team updating these, using your work.

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