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  • #136
    Resident Penguin
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    talisman
    • May 2003
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    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

    math is entirely logical... I really don't see why you can't accept the logic behind infinity. It's not a difficult concept.

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    • #137
      FFR Player
      A2_Sauce
      • Sep 2006
      • 631

      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

      Originally posted by Squeek
      I've trained myself to ignore mathematicians and pretend they don't exist.
      HAHAHAHA, you're in luck, i'm no mathematician

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      • #138
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        GuidoHunter
        • Oct 2003
        • 7371

        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

        An engineer, a physicist and a mathematician are competing to design a fence that will fence in the largest area with the smallest amount of fencing. The engineer builds in a circle and says that it is the most efficient design. The physicist builds a very long, straight fence and says "Assume it goes to infinity and half the earth is fenced in." The mathematician says, "You guys are both idiots." He then builds a fence around himself and says, "I'm on the outside."

        --Guido


        Originally posted by Grandiagod
        Originally posted by Grandiagod
        She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
        Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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        • #139
          tool
          JKPolk
          • Aug 2003
          • 3737

          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

          Originally posted by Squeek
          Oh hey, sorry for not knowing yet another pointless astronomical unit of measure.

          I like how you laugh but still don't care to explain it.

          Don't bother though. I've trained myself to ignore mathematicians and pretend they don't exist. It seems their sole purpose is to piss off logical thinkers.
          I... tried to explain it...

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          • #140
            TWO THOUZAND COMBO
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            Shashakiro
            • Aug 2005
            • 9082

            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

            Originally posted by Tokzic
            Circle picture
            What does a circle have to do with this in any way?

            Originally posted by Tokzic
            And Shash, that's garbage. Just because it's infinite doesn't mean you can ignore the ratio. >=/
            Yup, it does. Because of the fact that for every stone, you can find a matching stick, and vice versa, the two have to be equal. It's that simple.

            It amazes me when people think that their own intuition is somehow right and all of established mathematics is wrong.
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            Originally posted by Boogiebear
            use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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            • #141
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              GuidoHunter
              • Oct 2003
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              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

              What my Cal IV professor told me to do was to just think of "really ****ing big" in place of infinity. It works for where I need it and explains the stick/stone thing nicely.

              --Guido


              Originally posted by Grandiagod
              Originally posted by Grandiagod
              She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
              Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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              • #142
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                tsugomaru
                • Aug 2004
                • 3962

                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                We've already argued this issue on so many levels.

                Yes, for every stick, you can find a stone and for every stone, you can find a stick.

                But if we were to place our hand down at any point of this pattern, we can say there'll be more stones than sticks.

                ~Tsugomaru
                Originally posted by Hiluluk
                WHEN do you think people die...?
                When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                • #143
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                  GuidoHunter
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 7371

                  Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                  Originally posted by tsugomaru
                  But if we were to place our hand down at any point of this pattern, we can say there'll be more stones than sticks.

                  ~Tsugomaru
                  If you place your hand down, we cease to be considering infinity.

                  That's not how it works, Tsu.

                  --Guido


                  Originally posted by Grandiagod
                  Originally posted by Grandiagod
                  She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                  Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                  • #144
                    FFR Player
                    DDRKirby
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 1

                    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                    Originally posted by A2_Sauce
                    I've been very curious about this, please post comments.

                    Proof:

                    Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

                    Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.
                    The first part stems from:

                    The limit as x->infinity as in the equation 1/x^2 will be zero, since x is approaching an infinately small number which would basically be zero.

                    However, if an variable were placed in the numerator....

                    the limit as x->infinity of the equation x/x^2 would be zero, and x^2/x would be undefined. However, it would be ridiculous to say infinity squared.

                    We could use a different variable to represent any number.

                    q=[0,00) {double zeros in this case is my lazy attempt at the infinity sign}

                    So, the limit as x->00 in q/x will be zero.



                    The second equation would be kinda strange:

                    Infinity * Zero = Infinity.

                    Since, if we were to solve for zero (treating it as a varable)....

                    Infinity/Infinity = 0.

                    Everyone knows that something divided by itself is 1, not zero.

                    However, I think it was a typo...

                    I think it should have been:

                    Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

                    Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.

                    ----

                    Infinity*zero = Any Number

                    Anything times zero is zero, not a mysterious unknown number.

                    I think I need more theortical Calculus....rofl.

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                    • #145
                      Private College
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      Kit-
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 536

                      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                      64/16 = 4/1 because the 6s cancel
                      <img src="Bent Lines" />

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                      • #146
                        FFR Player
                        tsugomaru
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 3962

                        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                        Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                        If you place your hand down, we cease to be considering infinity.

                        That's not how it works, Tsu.

                        --Guido

                        http://andy.mikee385.com
                        Ahh man you are right. =[

                        ~Tsugomaru

                        PS - Man, I was thinking about that when I was writing the statement.
                        Originally posted by Hiluluk
                        WHEN do you think people die...?
                        When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                        When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                        When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                        IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                        • #147
                          Super Scooter Happy
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          Kilgamayan
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 6583

                          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                          Originally posted by DDRKirby
                          The second equation would be kinda strange:

                          Infinity * Zero = Infinity.

                          Since, if we were to solve for zero (treating it as a varable)....

                          Infinity/Infinity = 0.

                          Everyone knows that something divided by itself is 1, not zero.

                          However, I think it was a typo...

                          I think it should have been:

                          Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

                          Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.

                          ----

                          Infinity*zero = Any Number

                          Anything times zero is zero, not a mysterious unknown number.
                          Any number divided by 1 is itself, and any number times zero is zero. Infinity is not a number, and the amount of people in this thread that still fail to grasp that concept stuns me.

                          Also, for the people whining about inf - inf, it is possible for it to equal zero, but it's not defined as zero. It's an indeterminacy, just like inf/inf, 0/0 and a whole bunch of other power crap. None of those things are defined to be anything - your goal when you run across one is to hit it with whatever you've got (L'Hopital's Rule is almost always a good place to start) to turn it into something that is explicitly defined.
                          I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                          • #148
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                            tsugomaru
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 3962

                            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                            Kay, I need one more run through.

                            If inf-inf can equal 0, does that mean that it can also equal 1, 2, 3,...?

                            ~Tsugomaru
                            Originally posted by Hiluluk
                            WHEN do you think people die...?
                            When their heart is pierced by a bullet from a pistol...? No.
                            When they succumb to an incurable disease...? No.
                            When they drink soup made with a poisonous mushroom...? NO!!!
                            IT'S WHEN A PERSON IS FORGOTTEN...!!!

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                            • #149
                              Super Scooter Happy
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              Kilgamayan
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6583

                              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                              It's possible, yes.

                              For example, take the size of the set of non-negative integers and subtract the size of the set of positive integers.

                              It's inf - inf, but the answer is 1.
                              I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                              • #150
                                Private College
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                Kit-
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 536

                                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                                Originally posted by Kilgamayan
                                It's possible, yes.

                                For example, take the size of the set of non-negative integers and subtract the size of the set of positive integers.

                                It's inf - inf, but the answer is 1.
                                Bijection:
                                0<->1
                                1<->2
                                2<->3

                                etc. etc.
                                <img src="Bent Lines" />

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