Holiday

[Lightknight924]

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Where I live, Uncle Sam Day is a holiday and is not religious either.

[180digi]

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Well, we don't normally celebrate things for its holiness anymore, i'm pretty sure we stopped that at some point. The end of year december holidays (being x-mas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa) don't have thier religious values at all anymore, Christmas is just a time where you spend ass loads of money on buying presents and getting presents yourself. It's all about consummerism(sp). People don't celebrate the 'holy days' for their holiness, I for one (being the passionate religion disliker that i am) would rather celebrate something like the birth of a nation than the birth of God's son, but that's only me.

[Lightknight924]

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Then you're not religious. Without God there would never of been that "nation" because nothing would exist. If there was no Jesus the nation would not exist because somehow events that happened then would somehow lead to now and if there was no Jesus then no christianity which is how this nation began. With the pilgrims escaping the english to practice free religion.

[whorlichan]

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Well, we don't normally celebrate things for its holiness anymore, i'm pretty sure we stopped that at some point. The end of year december holidays (being x-mas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa) don't have thier religious values at all anymore, Christmas is just a time where you spend ass loads of money on buying presents and getting presents yourself. It's all about consummerism(sp). People don't celebrate the 'holy days' for their holiness, I for one (being the passionate religion disliker that i am) would rather celebrate something like the birth of a nation than the birth of God's son, but that's only me.

Then you're not religious. Without God there would never of been that "nation" because nothing would exist. If there was no Jesus the nation would not exist because somehow events that happened then would somehow lead to now and if there was no Jesus then no christianity which is how this nation began. With the pilgrims escaping the english to practice free religion.

Both of you are half-right, which funnily enough does not add into a completely correct whole. I am Jewish but not very religious, and I still find Hannukah to be a beautiful holiday that is more about the story behind it (and the food, it is after all a Jewish holiday) than the gifts.

In fact, my family doesn't give gifts for Hannukah once you pass Bar/Bat Mitzvah age. So only the little kids get them, because they're materialistic little brats no matter what religion they are. But no adult (or teenager) ever complains about not getting gifts, because the family spends time together in a great attempt to burn down the house.

When I'm in Pennsylvania over the winter, which I have been for the past three years, I celebrate Christmas with Tass's dad's family. The tree is beautiful, the food his stepmom cooks is great, and we have an amazing time just being together. It has never been about the gifts for me (and I was astounded to get ANY gifts the first time I spent Christmas with them).

I don't think you need to be orthodox in your religion to enjoy the winter holidays, and I don't think you have to succumb to the consumerism of America to enjoy them either. It's about love and family.

(/sappiness)

[JurseyRider734]

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While holiday may be a combination of holy and day, holidays do not specifically have to be holy
or belong to any specific religion.

Wrong. Latin roots say Holi=Holy, Day of course being Day. A Holy Day. I just think Kwanzaa shouldn't be grouped with Hanukkah and Christmas seeing as it isn't holy and therefore doesn't fit in with the "Winter Holidays".

[talisman]

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You know jurs, I'm almost positive that the word holiday isn't from latin at all.

edit: yeah, it's from middle english. check dictionary.com or your own personal dictionary if you don't believe me. Silly goose.

Also, if a holiday has to be a holy day... then what do you call memorial day, labor day, the fourth of july, etc ?

[Grandiagod]

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While holiday may be a combination of holy and day, holidays do not specifically have to be holy
or belong to any specific religion.

Wrong. Latin roots say Holi=Holy, Day of course being Day. A Holy Day. I just think Kwanzaa shouldn't be grouped with Hanukkah and Christmas seeing as it isn't holy and therefore doesn't fit in with the "Winter Holidays".

I wasn't speaking in technicality. I was using common knowledge and not interpreting the actual word as a compound.

[blahblah18]

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well it shoudln't be lumepd together with hanukkah and christmas like it always is... put ramadan in there if you really need a trinity.. you silly people and your trinities... I mean come on, how silly... but I digress. Kwanzaa is a holiday in the way mother's day can be a holiday. Unless Eva says otherwise to that?

[JurseyRider734]

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I don't think there needs to be a trinity, but if you're going to group the season's holidays together then it should just be Christmas and Hanukkah...no Kwanzaa.