Scientists may have found a particle that goes fast than light.

[MrGiggles]

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Weird, I readed an article this week about chinese scientists making experiments with photons, since photon's maximum speed was never tested and found. Turns out that, after these experiments, they found out that photon's speed, which was unknown, is still lower than light. The photons, being the "last hope" on finding something faster than light, just proved that, like Einstein said, nothing can go faster than it.

Now I'll read this article and see what is right.

uh wait

photons are the basic unit of light

wouldn't they travel at the speed of light?

Just like light, we can't do anything with Neutrinos.

idk about you bro, but I do tons of shit with light :coolface:. getting neutrinos to interact with matter is tricky but possible, so I agree that we have a ways to go before they present any sort of practical use to us.

[vantilburg]

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Just like light, we can't do anything with Neutrinos.

What do you mean we can't do anything with light? We've been doing plenty for a while, now. Fiber optics, laser technology, we're even exploring a branch of biology concerning splicing photosensitive genes into the brain to target specific types of neurons and either excite or inhibit them using different wavelengths of light, that could be a potentially radical treatment for conditions such as schizophrenia and epilepsy.

We may not understand what constitutes light, but there have always been advances in the utility of something even before we fully understand it.

[Shikari]

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uh wait

photons are the basic unit of light

wouldn't they travel at the speed of light?

Well, putting in this perspective, yes. But, according the article I readed, which is from a sorta good brazilian magazine, it didn't happen. That's why I said, after my post, "let's see what's right" because wHo kNoW$

[Reincarnate]

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Calling it now: Systematic error

Sorry but I'm putting my money on Einstein. Suck it, neutrinos

Read: http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897

[PURE GENIUS]

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Whoever deleted my post is a tight-ass that needs to be de-modded for being a tight-ass. My post didn't contain anything bad and was related to the topic. there are other posts in this thread that should also have been deleted if my post deserved to be deleted. just because my name is pure genius you delete my posts. You really deserve to be demodded for deleting posts out of pure idiocy.

[leonid]

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[PaperclipGames]

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So what if the neutrino could travel faster than light. This is against all theories but just say.
I hear all over the news that it is immediately related to time and that the neutrinos would basically go back in time, and that time travel would become possible etc. etc.. Anyone who believes this is dumb, for the speed of anything doesn't have anything to do with time; I could create a particle that goes ten times as fast as the speed of light, and I could send it to the sun in 50 seconds. How is that related to time travel? asdasdgafg.

Edit: Also, considering neutrinos barely interact with other matter because of their electrical neutrality, I reckon they are going to be used for extremely fast internet connections (you could shoot them right through the earth to the other side of the earth with no harm done, no cables required; you'll just need an insanely precise emitter and receptor).

[qqwref]

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I posted this on another forum , but it's appropriate here too.

>physicists make measurement error
>gigantic ****storm all over the internet
>facepalm

[Spenner]

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Well seeing as they JUST came across it, they shouldn't really have released it publicly IMO. They're still in the process of handing it out to other scientists to finalize the legitimacy of the data. To avoid the clusterf*ck, I would have waited for a 2nd and 200th opinion on the info gathered ~_~

[Reincarnate]

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Neutrinos are ****hard to detect as they are.

If you've got a neutrino going 730.085 kilometers at c, we would expect it to take:

7.30085 * 10^14 nanometers / (2.99792458 * 10^17 nanometers/sec) = 0.00243530142 seconds, or 2435301.42 nanoseconds.

Minus about 60 ns, that's 2435241.42 nanoseconds. If we see that the neutrinos arrived 60 ns early, this implies:

7.30085 * 10^14 nanometers / 0.00243524142 seconds = 2.99799845 * 10^17 nanometers per second, or 299799845 meters per second, or a new "speed limit" of something like 1.00002464c, ballpark figure.

Consider supernova SN 1987A, the supernova that gave rise to neutrino astronomy, 168,000 lightyears away. If neutrinos are that much faster than light, we'd expect to see them arrive early by 168,000*(1-1/1.00002464) = about 4.139418 years. And yet, experimentally, that's not what we saw. The neutrinos arrived something like 3 hours before the light did over a distance of 168,000 lightyears -- NOT 4 years sooner.

So you might be wondering "OK Rubix, but the neutrinos still got here first! Explain THAT, whore!" When a supernova kicks off, the energy release begins in the core -- it takes time for the shockwave to reach the surface, but neutrinos don't have any such resistance from from the cool shock front and get a few hours head start. That time difference is exactly what we saw, even after all those years of traveling at crazy speeds over crazy distances.

In other words, I trust the data from the 168,000-lightyear supernova + the countless number of verifications we've had from Einstein's theory, over some probably-bullshit miscalibration or software rounding error somewhere (especially in that PolaRx2e GPS receiver they used which probably isn't typically used for nanosecond-magnitude measurements over hundreds of kilometers of distance).

I really, really expect this one to be put under.

[MrGiggles]

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i didn't read any of that but stop pissing in my cornflakes please time travel is very nearly my fetish

[leonid]

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rubix I'll kill you yesterday

[Reincarnate]

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not if I use my golden rule algorithm first

[rushyrulz]

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Just like light, we can't do anything with Neutrinos.

idk about you bro, but I do tons of shit with light :coolface:. getting neutrinos to interact with matter is tricky but possible, so I agree that we have a ways to go before they present any sort of practical use to us.

We can't harness the speed of light and convert that into anything useful other than illuminating shit extremely quickly, just like we wouldn't be able to convert the speed of neutrinos into anything useful even if this whole thing isn't BS.

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I've been to an underground neutrino lab before and it's amazing how hard these scientists try to see a few little red dots on a screen.

over 50 solid steel plates just for some dots that don't mean anything aside from scientific knowledge. I also heard that the government funded over 100 million dollars to this project which made me kind of relieved that I'm not paying taxes yet.

[awein999]

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Interesting read.

OK Rubix, but the neutrinos still got here first! Explain THAT, whore!

Typo. Your argument is therefore invalid. "don't have any such resistance from from the cool shock"

Can't add anything of anymore intellectual knowledge but I feel like posting. *insert trollface here*