Drug test people on welfare?

[Aldentron]

Re: Drug test people on welfare?

I'd rather have it go to someone that is actually in need of food and shelter.

ya thats where all that money iz gonna go

[Cavernio]

Re: Drug test people on welfare?

Seems a small, innocuous step to drug test people on welfare in a country where drug-testing is done for any number of various jobs. At least with welfare, you ARE giving away that money to the person, and you don't want them spending it on drugs.

Ultimately though, even if something like 90% of welfare users use hard drugs, you're going to have, like, no one breaking their addiction over the fact that they've lost welfare money, and instead will likely turn to other societally destructive means of getting the money, like theft. Which will not end up saving taxpayers any money.

If you want to fight drugs, this seems a poor way to do it. If you want to prevent handouts to people who are abusing the welfare system, all the things that people are bitching about, like alcohol, cigarettes, and those damned depressed people, you're not going to be changing that, if rein's number are even close to accurate.

****, I swear that people who feel the welfare system is being abused by people who don't need it, are idiots. Who do you think would be left on welfare once you've weeded out all the 'abusers' of the system?

Manson-apparently ignorant to the fact that many illegal drugs create addicts because they are addictive.

[Patashu]

Re: Drug test people on welfare?

Studies show that giving alcoholics free unconditional shelter helps them get over their habit and giving other drug users (the hard kind that get you physically addicted) a prescription for their drug lowers crime rates related to drugs, sooo the war on drugs is stupid and only serves to turn the middle and lower class on themselves while ignoring the top 0.1% which has 20% or so of all the wealth

pce

edit: no seriously, what's the intended plan:

1) discover person on welfare has a drug habit
2) remove welfare
3) ???
4) person's life is improved

or is it purely malicious, **** people who do the things I dislike (read: are told to dislike by the media/anti-drug culture) and don't have a support network to get back on their feet besides welfare, kind of garbage?

feel free to dislike people who commit crimes with victims (though hope for their rehabilitation), leave people who commit 'victimless crimes' as if such a thing were possible alone

[Reincarnate]

Re: Drug test people on welfare?

edit: no seriously, what's the intended plan:

1) discover person on welfare has a drug habit
2) remove welfare
3) ???
4) person's life is improved

or is it purely malicious, **** people who do the things I dislike (read: are told to dislike by the media/anti-drug culture) and don't have a support network to get back on their feet besides welfare, kind of garbage?

Yep, this is exactly what it is. All the while, guess who picks up the tab? And who profits from this?

This is how hack Republicans get into office. They promote these kinds of bills/laws that sound great and appeal to moral emotion ("Yeah! **** those welfare druggie leeches!"), and gain the support of the ignorant, but they solve nothing and can only make things worse -- and all for the sake of ideology.

Huge example right now: The debt ceiling "negotiations"

[Reincarnate]

Re: Drug test people on welfare?

Ultimately though, even if something like 90% of welfare users use hard drugs, you're going to have, like, no one breaking their addiction over the fact that they've lost welfare money, and instead will likely turn to other societally destructive means of getting the money, like theft. Which will not end up saving taxpayers any money.

Correct

If you want to fight drugs, this seems a poor way to do it. If you want to prevent handouts to people who are abusing the welfare system, all the things that people are bitching about, like alcohol, cigarettes, and those damned depressed people, you're not going to be changing that, if rein's number are even close to accurate.

Whiiiiich they are

[Timchy]

Re: Drug test people on welfare?

They're doing a drug test on all people on welfare in that area?
Is there a link to an article or something?

"Florida will begin testing welfare recipients for illicit drug use under a new law signed by Governor Rick Scott on Tuesday.

The measure makes Florida the only state to test all recipients of the federal program known as Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, according a Washington-based public policy group that says other states have chosen less obtrusive ways to monitor drug use."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/31/us-florida-welfare-drugs-idUSTRE74U6W320110531