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  • #16
    Snek
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    Izzy
    • Jan 2003
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    Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

    I don't see how a DDOS is the same at all. That is already illegal.

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    • #17
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      choof
      • Nov 2013
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      Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

      I think you're a little bit confused.
      Tiered pricing for bandwidth has nothing to do with net neutrality.

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      • #18
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        choof
        • Nov 2013
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        Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

        edit: nvm
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        Last edited by choof; 05-16-2014, 10:59 PM.

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        • #19
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          dragon890x
          • Jun 2005
          • 565

          Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

          Originally posted by Izzy
          I don't see how a DDOS is the same at all. That is already illegal.
          That was my point.

          @Choof Sorry for being an asshat. I would really like for a better, more open internet. This just a major concern of mine.

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          • #20
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            gold stinger
            • Jan 2007
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            Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

            If were going to be talking about criminals on the internet and such in question, why don't the NSA do something about it?

            Oh yeah that's right, they can't keep up, and they only deal with big cases, one at a time. (At least, from the results they are pouring out that make it to public eye...) Let's give ISPs the same responsibilities & power and let them do it instead. ISPs would want to control what they get out of the situation, and that's bottom line.

            The issue isn't about criminals. ISPs want more money, more control, faster expansion, bigger growth. What company wouldn't want this? If it passes, it gives power to companies to extort websites for money and make customers suffer in the process, and makes it that much harder to pass certain info down the line to other people. It also gives ISPs power to control what others get out of their internet for the majority of users.

            My guess is that if something like this does get through and becomes a real thing, people will try to find ways around it to jump on it as a cash grab. Not entirely sure how they plan on implementing it yet (mostly because it's still in debate) but if possible, people will open up services for net neutrality contracts, separate from anti-net neutrality, and I can foresee the term "net neutrality" being tossed around as a business term, just like they did with "unlimited bandwidth/internet".
            Last edited by gold stinger; 05-16-2014, 11:10 PM.
            Originally posted by YoshL
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            • #21
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              dragon890x
              • Jun 2005
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              Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

              Net neutrality is a tricky thing.

              My posts before are geared towards the general concept behind it.
              True net neutrality is chaos.


              Charging people for the connection to a specific location would be wrong, even though much of the internet is already regulated by the government, giving us little control.

              Who's to say we don't already do it? (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu Plus, SomethingAwful, and other services that I understand are not an ISP)

              However, we're smarter than what they'd like to believe.

              There are ways around their barriers, and you'd better believe that we'll find them if the time comes.

              It's honestly nothing to worry about.

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              • #22
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                choof
                • Nov 2013
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                Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                Originally posted by dragon890x
                True net neutrality is chaos.
                Except we don't know this. The only time there was something that could be considered true net neutrality was in the early 90s, when the internet was still growing. We've never seen true net neutrality on a large scale.

                Maybe in theory it is chaos, but "true" net neutrality might be better than giving ISPs free reign on how data is moved along the internet.

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                • #23
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                  dragon890x
                  • Jun 2005
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                  Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                  Originally posted by choof
                  Maybe in theory it is chaos, but "true" net neutrality might be better than giving ISPs free reign on how data is moved along the internet.
                  Yeah, let's just hope for the best. :3

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                  • #24
                    Dan "Razor" Devilz
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                    Razor
                    • May 2004
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                    Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

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                    • #25
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                      • Jan 2007
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                      Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                      Originally posted by Razor
                      rip streaming twitch
                      I can't even fucking stream twitch because Bell wants to charge me 69.99 for 2.5mbps down / 0.5mbps up

                      IN THE MIDDLE OF TORONTO, NOT EVEN RURAL/SUBURBS.

                      asdadfksdfhkgskfjhkjdgksfgldhk
                      Originally posted by YoshL
                      butts.


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                      • #26
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                        Pseudo Enigma
                        • Aug 2012
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                        Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                        Originally posted by gold stinger
                        I can't even fucking stream twitch because Bell wants to charge me 69.99 for 2.5mbps down / 0.5mbps up

                        IN THE MIDDLE OF TORONTO, NOT EVEN RURAL/SUBURBS.

                        asdadfksdfhkgskfjhkjdgksfgldhk
                        1: good/stable speeds
                        2: infinite download bandwidth (not upload?)

                        if you're in ontario, pick 1.

                        edit:
                        Originally posted by devonin


                        The best description of the issue.
                        just watched this. Now I understand what is going on. But is this something a Canadian can take part in? Kinda sucks hearing about this stuff happening south of the border. If that's allowed there, then there's no telling what crazy shit they'll finally enforce up here. D:
                        Last edited by Pseudo Enigma; 05-17-2014, 03:54 AM.

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                        • #27
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                          • Apr 2004
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                          Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                          Originally posted by gold stinger
                          I can't even fucking stream twitch because Bell wants to charge me 69.99 for 2.5mbps down / 0.5mbps up

                          IN THE MIDDLE OF TORONTO, NOT EVEN RURAL/SUBURBS.

                          asdadfksdfhkgskfjhkjdgksfgldhk
                          Teksavvy: 25 Mbps down, 2 Mbps up, 300GB, 41.95. Same thing with unlimited bandwidth 59.95

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                          • #28
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                            • Jan 2007
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                            Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                            That's why I really hate old buildings now

                            and on top of that my building is covered in construction in all directions. The only reason they didn't rip my building down is because there's an elementary school right next to it.

                            I've tried to convince my mom and brother to switch to Teksavvy or Start Communications but they have all been super stubborn about it because they don't like change.
                            Originally posted by YoshL
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                            • #29
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                              choof
                              • Nov 2013
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                              Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                              Originally posted by Pseudo Enigma

                              just watched this. Now I understand what is going on. But is this something a Canadian can take part in? Kinda sucks hearing about this stuff happening south of the border. If that's allowed there, then there's no telling what crazy shit they'll finally enforce up here. D:

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                              • #30
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                                Cavernio
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 1987

                                Re: FCC wants your thoughts on Net Neutrality

                                I feel really dumb about a lot of this. I'm lost dragon890x, I simply do not understand what you're getting at, and I want to.

                                Regarding throttling certain types of data transfers, does an ISP know, beyond where the data is coming from, what is contained in data? Isn't this part of the reason, in Canada, why Rogers and probably Bell were throttling things like MMO data, because the 'profile' of it matched torrent data which they presumed was illegal or some such? Wasn't there an appeal a few years back that changed that in Canada so they couldn't?

                                In Canada, isn't it rather hard to control monopolies when basically Bell and Rogers own ALL the cabling and telecommunications towers etc. anyways? I thought that's why canadian cell plans, internet etc was so expensive compared to most other countries. Even Teksavvy itself uses Rogers infrastructure and even technicians. It buys bulk bandwidth (or whatever it is they buy) from Rogers at a lower price so it still makes a tidy profit selling it for a slightly lower price than Rogers itself does.

                                New Brunswick has no competition besides Bell or Rogers anymore unless you decide to use satellite, because all the smaller individual companies were offered presumably ridiculous amounts of money to sell to Bell. I had highspeed DSL before most of the world, but that company sold itself to Bell and no longer exists.
                                Speaking of which, I believe Bell's been legally broken down from being a monopoly at least twice if not 3 times since its conception.
                                Last edited by Cavernio; 05-17-2014, 10:56 AM.

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