TWG XVII Postgame

[flypie743]

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I mean, it wasn't against the rules, why not use it?

Do we have to go through this argument again?

[talisman]

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did we go through it before?

It isn't cheating until it's against the rules... now it is and now it's cheating.

It was lame for the wolves to lose a member of their own that quickly, but it would be equally lame if one of them got seered night one.... the exact same situation results.

Seer reveals identity of the wolf and asks for guardian's protection, tells them that if he/she isn't a wolf that they can kill him the next day. Guaranteed wolf lynched in two days, just like the situation with whorli.

[JurseyRider734]

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I was so shocked when I found out the same game was on two weeks after I had left. I was expecting it to be two games later on Day 1 or something so I would have to suffer watching another whole game be played until I was able to. Good thing it lasted so long, I guess, now it won't be a long wait until I play.

If I still had my revised Lord of the Rings setup, i'd try to host next game. Maybe i'll take some time to re-type it up again.

Good job humans and wolves.

[flypie743]

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did we go through it before?

Yes, there was a similar situation that happened a while ago. I think it was that Tass logged in to Whorli's account to check her PM or something, and it wasn't "written in the rules", but obviously it's not fair play. Just like what happened this time. It's not fair play. Who wants to win knowing they didn't win using fair methods?

[talisman]

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I thought that was with guido and stretchy I believe and I didn't realize you meant the IRL thing, I thought you meant the argument about it.

Was it fair? No, not everyone could talk face to face with everyone else. Was it against the rules? No. Tass didn't break any rules, that's all I'm saying. Perhaps he exploited a loophole, but whatever. The wolves just got dealt a bad hand on that one.

[Tasselfoot]

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What wasn't fair about it? We discussed TWG, the same as you would do with someone either over AIM or on the phone. And I know some of you talk to each other on the phone, so why wouldn't you discuss TWG as well.

Nothing in the rules says you can't discuss TWG on the phone with anyone... why not write that into the rules too, because you can hear their voice.

Just pisses me off at how bent out of shape all of you get at the things I do. Some more than others. I appreciate the support from those who see things the same way that I do.

[talisman]

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well it wasn't fair because fairness by definition implies that all players can do it... and all players can't see other players face to face.

legal does not equal fair.

[Tps222]

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I have to go with Tass on this one. All is fair in love and war, and TWG. It wasn't against the rules, and any of you would have done the same. Not doing it would be stupid, don't give me the whole "It ruins the game" crap, because in games their are winners and losers, so why wouldn't you take every legal action to ensure victory. "Well, we could nuke Japan and win the war, but that doesn't seem nice or fair".

Now, to my pm thing. I did it for some fun, to get people interested if they were green, to keep myself alive, and save the special roles. My first PM read

Hello fellow TWG’er:

Let’s make this game interesting. This Pm is getting sent out to ALL players. Now, I am either the voyeur, a wolf, the psychic, or a human. If I am the voyeur, then the wolves will surely try and kill me, but if I am not, what a waste of a kill. If I am a wolf, then humans will surely vote me off, but what if I am the psychic or the voyeur? Then you’re killing a blue! What if I am just a normal human, then this would make me look incredibly wolfish, since I have more of a chance of getting killed by a wolf then a human; I am willing to take the risk, hinting at me being a wolf. Though, why would I have any reason to do this if I was a wolf? It would bring a whole lot of attention to me, with the low chance of being accepted as a human. If I was a blue, the reason would to do this would to either to hopefully get guarded, or to confuse the wolves to thinking there is no way I can be a blue, with a move this bold, or, to see who is acting really suspicious towards me, and see them that night. Then again, what if I am a human, why would I do this? Possibly for protection, or to sacrifice myself to the wolves to possibly save an important role for a night. Unless I am a wolf, which would put me in no harm, except the hard decision of the humans, is it worth reducing the wolves’ chances greatly by risking a blue? Then again, if I was a blue, it would put me in a lot of harm. I don’t know what to do, what decision should we make. Which am I? I sure do love logic puzzles. After a change in heart, I have decided to give you all a hint, a clue, to my real identity. I will check the responses to my clues everyday once an hour. Here’s the first clue.

--.- ..- . ... - .- / .--. .- .-. --- .-.. .- / ... .. --. -. .. ..-. .. -.-. .- / .-.. .- / .-. .. -. .- ... -.-. .. - .- .-.-.-
Enjoy

Your mysterious friend, or foe,
Tps222

It was morse code, and it read "This word means the rebirth". The correct answer was Rennasaince.

The next clue read: Next Clue

VFhWcGRHRnpJR1Y0Y0c5emFjT253N1ZsY3lCa1pTQlVWaUIwdzZwdElIVnRZU0JqWVc3RHA4T2pi
eUIyWVhwcFlTNGdVWFZsSUhCaA0KYkdGMmNtRWdjM1ZpYzNScGRIVnBjaUJoSUhaaGVtbHZJR1po
Y21saElITmxiblJwWkc4L0lBPT0=

Base 64. It translated to "Many T.V shows have a blank song before the show starts". The answer is Theme.

My next clue wasn't finished, but it was going to read "If you combine the answer to part 1 and the answer to part 2, and find the answer to that question, you will discover my role" Which would be The Theme of the Rennaisance is? Now their were many themes of the Rennaisance, but the correct one was Humanism. Jurs got the farthest, completing all my possible clues.

Good game all, I think we should delay signups for a week again (mainly because I'm hosting a quick jTWG game, and I want to play)

[flypie743]

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...er=asc&start=0

Found the thread where Tass used something that "wasn't written in the rules" and used it.

[Afrobean]

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Yea, Tass' tactics are lame as hell. He used an unfair advantage (OMG WHAT A SURPRISE) just like before with the whole PM scandel. Also, if not for his pegging Whorli, he never would have had such an easy time with eb and whoever else.

Also, Tass said that phone calls should be outlawed. I don't see how that makes any sense. Talking to someone on the phone is TOTALLY DIFFERENT from SEEING THEM IN REAL LIFE. Besides, all players have the ability to call all other players (given that the recieving player is cool to talk on the phone). "BUT WAIT AFRO SOME PEOPLE CAN'T CALL OTHER PEOPLE WHO LIVE FAR AWAY OMG!" That's retarded. Many of you may remember the recent Skype fad. Yea, anyone can call any TWG player on Skype. In fact, I think it'd be really cool if we all got in a conference next game or something.

One shouldn't have to cheat to expose weaknesses in rules. It was talked about before that IRL relationships shouldn't be allowed, yet it was allowed this game. All I have to ask is "why"?

All in all, I say LD wins for fooling everyone. The only people he didn't fool were people who were lucky enough to be in the know. GG LD.

I sure hope I didn't forget to post anything I thought of during the duration of the game. I'm definitely looking forward to next game. It's been too long.

[Omeganitros]

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GG humans. Sorry I let you guys down, but I knew as a limited Seer I would have to be careful with my powers while still building an alliance. It just so happens that my first choice for an alliance member was evilbutterfly, which got me killed night one.

[dAnceguy117]

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Afro, I agree with just about everything in your post except for the part about Skype. The reason seeing people IRL has been outlawed is because not everyone can do it. While Skype is free and all, and while I really need a headset, I don't have one yet, as I'm sure a few others don't. I'm not really saying OMG SKYPE SHUD BE ILEGAL, I'm just saying it's not a completely legitimate argument when compared to talking on the phone.

Oh, and if you really care that much, you can call someone long distance. XD But yeah, as TWG progresses, more and more loopholes will be noticed, often exploited, and then addressed. There's nothing you can do about that.

[evilbutterfly]

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Everything I wrote during the game I wrote as though the game were over. If you want long drawn-out rants about how angry this game made me, go back and read when I died. You people just followed Tass and his stupid ideas, and he used unfair tactics to get one of us. I also still stand by what I said about never playing TWG with Tass ever again. If he signs up in TWG I will go to jTWG, but if Whorli gets to TWG first I will stay with that. I know some of you would be happy to follow me in this Tass boycott. It's not that I don't like Tass as a person (I don't know him personally), I just hate who he is while playing TWG and don't want to have to deal with it.

[talisman]

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I wonder how many people would be complaining if tass had been wrong about whorli...

eb, I respect your position, but I do think your solution is childish. just focus on the content of his posts, not the way he says it.

[dAnceguy117]

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I guess you could say Tass is a little *assertive*, but it doesn't bother me, really. Maybe that's because he's usually right, haha.

Anyway, next game, plz?