Re: TWG 202 - GAME THREAD
IN SHORT: I intend to vote Haku and can barely be convinced otherwise. My vote will be 30 minutes from the end of day.
I have put a long post here. Do not skip.
The first big issue we have, is this post:
This post isn't scummy. I think announcing he thinks targeting the setup is bad is totally fair.
At this juncture early game, I sided with bugkid in this interaction. Then the post they made in this interaction:
Messed it up. Asking a player to PR claim is always bad. HOWEVER, if we try to dig into what bugkid was pushing here, bugkid was trying to bait Haku into actually slipping, they saw something in that first post, it's lost on me what it actually was.
Storn also jumps into the push, after I abandon it. Haku asking for elaboration could be trying to dodge.
Haku walks away fine here. But at this juncture, Haku's play stands out as different.
But then he kind of ruins it. This is a very "Xel is caught as wolf" post, where he's just baiting the interaction, trying to keep the convo going because he knows he's harder to deal with. The explanation is actually pretty obvious.
The distance on FFA / Haku here screams to me. FFA has yet to post here. Yet he is calling on WV / Hatred. Wonder why. Note this for later.
BRUH. No action you made here looks "good" they just don't look "bad." I badly want to assign malice to that post BK picked out. I just can't. Why is this post here? I don't recall you being the type to wallow in first day because you like, never get toasted first day. WHY.
NEEDLESSLY defensive here. You to date, as far as I recall, have NEVER played like this.
WHAT HAS YOU SO FUCKING SCARED DUDE.
Defend me B~R~U~H
I fucking don't either. I think BK caught something, and Storn actually saw it. I don't think it's the SLIP though. It's something else.
Haku opened the thread.
Haku wants to seem townie, and sees a post that offers this opportunity.
Haku makes post 35, fucks something up.
Haku is pushed / called out.
Haku admits to deflecting, and ignoring pressure, but because he actually has no response.
Haku calls on other afk players except FFA.
Haku throws pairings out, careful of what he picks. No world makes sense.
Haku is allowed to go
I fixed this for you.
The narrative. A clean interaction though.
STAHP VOTING ME GUAIZ
Cute.
We then see FFA wrangle Haku expertly here, using a light grilling to seperate the unintentional mistake Haku makes here for the distancing. Haku fucks up though, his answer is bad, because it totally shes that not only is FFA wrangling Haku
Haku is trying to keep away from FFA votes.
Also! Let's take a side bar, for a minute.
Guess what's really funny on a yet further reread during this iso.
Remember how Storn's been riding Haku all game?
(This post is aimed at Haku.)
Guess. Who. Died. Night. 1.
Fucking Storn did.
But why?
Storn's made one push this game.
OH WAIT NOPE SORRY
HE MADE ONE MORE
GUESS WHO IT WAS.
I don't feel a need to go further. I think Haku's scum. I think FFA is also scum, or playing a very washed up (his words not mine) town game.
BUT GO FURTHER WE SHALL.
I think as far as a slip is involved, I think there's a bit of an emotional one here.
IF I thought a world where scum didn't know their roles first day was the case (I don't, but if you do) Haku slips some what feels like irritation he didn't know his role first day, because he'd have played it differently, and is now sold to his current posting style. Which I might add - is out of place. I don't wanna go into specifics of how this pertains to first game day, but you'd have to reconsider some stuff in this universe.
I feel it's important to point out when Haku does something correctly. I think based in Hakuland, this post could be genuine. As at this point I am fairly AFK, this is infact my wolf meta at least according to all of you.
Listen, as the foremost authority on XelNya, I can tell you, I would because of the last part of the post. I enjoy being an ass hole.
sussy baka the amoogus vented into coms to sabo to kill the fool who dare
This is completely the wrong answer.
The issue I've had with you and FFA to this point, where I bothered to fucking write a post that will actually be skipped entirely as the rest of town toss the game to the wolves like nice clean-killed meat, is that:
1. I think you are a wolf.
2. You and FFA have played a very specific spacing game, and your narrative for this, is equally tied to me, as you've been wishy-washy on me as well. You're using the bouncing nature of me and FFA to keep from the solid narrative. You do this often as town, as you're just a content machine, and that's the play this game. To be the content machine.
3. The part that sells me this, is that at opportunities to save FFA, you have done so. In times to save you, he has done so. When he thinks you're fucking up, he has wrangled you from doing worse.
I'm willing to own I'm in a tunnel right now. But I dunno, it's screaming at me.
I don't like this. This is foreshadowing imo if you think about what players may respond to this. The reason is because the OP doesn't state exactly what players can roll. The only info related to this is that it says "applicants" on top of the player list. I'm assuming everyone should be priorizing finding townies right now using random banter or whatever works. There's no reason to target the setup since it's currently swiss cheese central. It's full of holes and too much unknown information.
I guess if you're just trying to look sus on purpose that works too, but I hope you can get somewhere good with this. That being said, your posts are a pretty decent ice breaker in this game and we badly need activity so, honestly this looks pretty good in that respect.
I guess if you're just trying to look sus on purpose that works too, but I hope you can get somewhere good with this. That being said, your posts are a pretty decent ice breaker in this game and we badly need activity so, honestly this looks pretty good in that respect.
At this juncture early game, I sided with bugkid in this interaction. Then the post they made in this interaction:
Storn also jumps into the push, after I abandon it. Haku asking for elaboration could be trying to dodge.
Haku walks away fine here. But at this juncture, Haku's play stands out as different.
The distance on FFA / Haku here screams to me. FFA has yet to post here. Yet he is calling on WV / Hatred. Wonder why. Note this for later.
Do you genuinely don't recognize what I'm doing from my own shoes ? In previous games, I feel like you had a pretty good gut instinct of what I was doing. Seems like I confused you the wrong way here. Just keep in mind that I'm the type who raise red flags when I see players messing around with PR related stuff and yet somehow I did this weird play. You shouldn't be voting me from making people coin flip what I am. You should be voting me if I tried to make someone else claim their role. Yet, you ended up asking me if I'm a role. I see where you're coming from, but generally speaking; you don't want to out a PR D0.
If you think I'm scum then there has to be some sort of agenda or intention behind this that would let me influence the votes of others. Where is that ? There shouldn't be anything related to that. What normally happens D0 is that the wolf team ends up being something annoying like WV / FFA and town just self-destruct slowly because they keep trying to find something that doesn't exist yet. I'm not saying that they're wolfing, but the lack of information / opinion / commentary is usually a popular thematic for the D0 wolf agenda. They even have a good excuse this game. The phases are really short and besides trying to spearhead finding townies, there's not much I can do. Doing controversial plays are often the easy way to approach this.
If you think I'm scum then there has to be some sort of agenda or intention behind this that would let me influence the votes of others. Where is that ? There shouldn't be anything related to that. What normally happens D0 is that the wolf team ends up being something annoying like WV / FFA and town just self-destruct slowly because they keep trying to find something that doesn't exist yet. I'm not saying that they're wolfing, but the lack of information / opinion / commentary is usually a popular thematic for the D0 wolf agenda. They even have a good excuse this game. The phases are really short and besides trying to spearhead finding townies, there's not much I can do. Doing controversial plays are often the easy way to approach this.
WHAT HAS YOU SO FUCKING SCARED DUDE.
I fucking don't either. I think BK caught something, and Storn actually saw it. I don't think it's the SLIP though. It's something else.
In terms of actions my game is something along the lines of:
Haku opens thread.
Haku freak out at lack of activity.
Haku asks himself how to make people say things to help Haku read them.
Haku post #35 with this in mind.
Haku gets voted.
Haku ignore votes and look at posts to gain information to read players.
Haku take notes, but still feel weird about reads.
Haku throws pairings at people to see what they say.
Haku tries to make sense of additional information.
Rinse and repeat until either I feel confident about something or just vote someone that's too hard to read.
I'm still accepting suggestions for how 2 play.
Haku opens thread.
Haku freak out at lack of activity.
Haku asks himself how to make people say things to help Haku read them.
Haku post #35 with this in mind.
Haku gets voted.
Haku ignore votes and look at posts to gain information to read players.
Haku take notes, but still feel weird about reads.
Haku throws pairings at people to see what they say.
Haku tries to make sense of additional information.
Rinse and repeat until either I feel confident about something or just vote someone that's too hard to read.
I'm still accepting suggestions for how 2 play.
Haku wants to seem townie, and sees a post that offers this opportunity.
Haku makes post 35, fucks something up.
Haku is pushed / called out.
Haku admits to deflecting, and ignoring pressure, but because he actually has no response.
Haku calls on other afk players except FFA.
Haku throws pairings out, careful of what he picks. No world makes sense.
Haku is allowed to go
I fixed this for you.
Maybe I'm misreading again, but this post feels a bit funny after the events that just happened with last night.
As for the star vote, I just decided to follow FFA on whoever he was voting. Feel free to associate him with me this game. I didn't have any particular strong opinions on who to vote. I was still trying to figure out if there's some dynamics between players. sus/10 answer I know.
As for the star vote, I just decided to follow FFA on whoever he was voting. Feel free to associate him with me this game. I didn't have any particular strong opinions on who to vote. I was still trying to figure out if there's some dynamics between players. sus/10 answer I know.
What do you mean why ? Game felt like everyone rolled green applicant D0 no matter how I look at it. I wish my early game thing left more hindsight for this point into the game.
If there someone who rolled wolf in the previous phase and moved back to green you should say something, but I doubt anyone like that will show up.
Still, if everyone was town on the first phase then why did storn flip ? That would mean there's a "N0" mechanic in the game or does that mean the game actually started on the previous phase ?
If the game only started now then what's the point of the previous phase ? There has to be more to this.
If there someone who rolled wolf in the previous phase and moved back to green you should say something, but I doubt anyone like that will show up.
Still, if everyone was town on the first phase then why did storn flip ? That would mean there's a "N0" mechanic in the game or does that mean the game actually started on the previous phase ?
If the game only started now then what's the point of the previous phase ? There has to be more to this.
Haku is trying to keep away from FFA votes.
Also! Let's take a side bar, for a minute.
Guess what's really funny on a yet further reread during this iso.
Remember how Storn's been riding Haku all game?
(This post is aimed at Haku.)
Guess. Who. Died. Night. 1.
Fucking Storn did.
But why?
Storn's made one push this game.
OH WAIT NOPE SORRY
HE MADE ONE MORE
GUESS WHO IT WAS.
I don't feel a need to go further. I think Haku's scum. I think FFA is also scum, or playing a very washed up (his words not mine) town game.
BUT GO FURTHER WE SHALL.
What do you mean why ? Game felt like everyone rolled green applicant D0 no matter how I look at it. I wish my early game thing left more hindsight for this point into the game.
If there someone who rolled wolf in the previous phase and moved back to green you should say something, but I doubt anyone like that will show up.
Still, if everyone was town on the first phase then why did storn flip ? That would mean there's a "N0" mechanic in the game or does that mean the game actually started on the previous phase ?
If the game only started now then what's the point of the previous phase ? There has to be more to this.
If there someone who rolled wolf in the previous phase and moved back to green you should say something, but I doubt anyone like that will show up.
Still, if everyone was town on the first phase then why did storn flip ? That would mean there's a "N0" mechanic in the game or does that mean the game actually started on the previous phase ?
If the game only started now then what's the point of the previous phase ? There has to be more to this.
IF I thought a world where scum didn't know their roles first day was the case (I don't, but if you do) Haku slips some what feels like irritation he didn't know his role first day, because he'd have played it differently, and is now sold to his current posting style. Which I might add - is out of place. I don't wanna go into specifics of how this pertains to first game day, but you'd have to reconsider some stuff in this universe.
I'm actually town reading Xel over this post.
It's not much, but I feel like wolf Xel wouldn't even bother.
It's not much, but I feel like wolf Xel wouldn't even bother.
The issue I've had with you and FFA to this point, where I bothered to fucking write a post that will actually be skipped entirely as the rest of town toss the game to the wolves like nice clean-killed meat, is that:
1. I think you are a wolf.
2. You and FFA have played a very specific spacing game, and your narrative for this, is equally tied to me, as you've been wishy-washy on me as well. You're using the bouncing nature of me and FFA to keep from the solid narrative. You do this often as town, as you're just a content machine, and that's the play this game. To be the content machine.
3. The part that sells me this, is that at opportunities to save FFA, you have done so. In times to save you, he has done so. When he thinks you're fucking up, he has wrangled you from doing worse.
I'm willing to own I'm in a tunnel right now. But I dunno, it's screaming at me.
IN SHORT: I intend to vote Haku and can barely be convinced otherwise. My vote will be 30 minutes from the end of day.
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