TWG CLXV Postgame

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLXV Postgame

I've said this in deadchat, but I see no way a rulechange will prevent this sort of thing from reoccurring. It's a burden on the players to take the necessary steps to hide their tracks in the confines of the medium we play on.

On discord, that means appearing offline to prevent people from reading into the wolfteam all popping up online/offline at the same times constantly. On FFR, that means logging out, going invis, or closing profile. I take these steps as either alignment because our medium (FFRTWG) isn't secure enough to prevent people from discovering OOG info from our statuses.

In this specific case, Charu had no way to unsee what he saw, and took the necessary step to ensure it was legal. While I feel that intentionally attempting to discover info by manipulating the parameters of the game is inherently againdt the spirit of the game, he had no way to unsee what he saw and his reads were automatically affected. At that point, nothing he could've done would change the outcome of the knowledge he stumbled upon.

Trying to play while knowing the truth places a burden on him to either pretend he never saw it (burden of invention), ask to replace (burden of forfeiture), or share what he saw with everyone else. He did this after ensuring it was legal, and I can't fault him in the slightest. Nor can I fault the wolves who made it possible for him to discover this info.

In the future, everyone needs to be aware of their responsibility to cover their tracks. I'm "appear offline" on discord in every game I play as either alignment, and usually use my phone or go invis when I'm viewing thread at night as either alignment.

Just my thoughts. I don't think it's fair to fault anyone for a situation that became unavoidable the moment Charu became aware of the info he possessed.

[FreezinIce]

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He was banking on Haku voting for me.

Hmmm. As I can personally attest to, that's never a bad bet to make.

Which is why I made it a point to be in thread even during a movie to try to prevent lylo haku shenanigans

[inDheart]

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Game is a draw, we can discuss if one side gets awarded a win, probably doesn't matter that much.

i want to offer that although wolves played very well, i think this should stay either at a draw or no contest for both teams, on account of it being an incomplete game

[DaBackpack]

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It's okay, I feel like I did a not so honest thing.

But since people in past (dead chat mentioned this too I saw, lol) used people viewing a means to say something, I thought it was okay here.

Screenshotting I wasn't so sure though, it's why I asked Ethan his opinion.

Charu you did nothing wrong

and it's probably hypocritical of me to say, but I might have done the same thign if I was in your shoes

above all, you asked the host, which is fine

[Charu]

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Not even mad your smug, you played a good game dude.

I'd like to know why you opened the day with a vote though

He was banking on Haku voting for me.

[DaBackpack]

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i'd like to think better of our mods than using presence/absence in thread as a way to make reads, but i understand the argument

i also don't know if there is a way to address it for good, should we decide it needs to be addressed

I don't think they would consciously use it, but shado said somewhere that "it's not really something you can forget if you see it"

I trust our mods to not exploit this

it's a mechanical imbalance nonetheless

[FreezinIce]

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Not even mad your smug, you played a good game dude.

I'd like to know why you opened the day with a vote though

[Charu]

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sorry i'm getting a little emotional about this but the end of that game killed me on the inside

It's okay, I feel like I did a not so honest thing.

But since people in past (dead chat mentioned this too I saw, lol) used people viewing a means to say something, I thought it was okay here.

Screenshotting I wasn't so sure though, it's why I asked Ethan his opinion.

[Litodude]

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[inDheart]

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Okay, tangent, but imo this needs to be dealt with too

regarding angleshooting, I don't think meta / quoting other game posts is a problem

but the thing that happened here, and the "invisible" potential exploit should be addressed immediately

i'd like to think better of our mods than using presence/absence in thread as a way to make reads, but i understand the argument

i also don't know if there is a way to address it for good, should we decide it needs to be addressed

[Litodude]

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mainly because ffr twg.

[Litodude]

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game got off to a perfect start i'm never bussing suns again though xdxdxdxdxdxdxdxd

[Lightknight924]

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I feel like the game was good at its core with the roles and the day/night set up, but I think it got off to a bad start. I'd be down to re-roll this game sometime in the future.

[DaBackpack]

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sorry i'm getting a little emotional about this but the end of that game killed me on the inside

[DaBackpack]

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Because mods who play can see hidden users if we all use hidden.

Okay, tangent, but imo this needs to be dealt with too

regarding angleshooting, I don't think meta / quoting other game posts is a problem

but the thing that happened here, and the "invisible" potential exploit should be addressed immediately