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  • andy-o24
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    What are the boundaries on out of game information? If it's out of current game only, then shouldn't that exclude bringing up posts from other games? I know that kind of ruins the spirit of meta analysis, but it seems like a huge grey area.

    -o24

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  • FreezinIce
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    I'd like to apologize to gradient for aggrivating him. I would love for that to not be the last game we ever play together and hope he comes back someday

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  • Lightknight924
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    I think Charu did solid work. His post was the savior of the game.
    Last edited by Lightknight924; 03-19-2017, 11:42 PM.

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  • Charu
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    Originally posted by AragakiAyase
    I think flaming is always part of twg, but I like it more when it stays below a certain level
    And yeah, I agree, the hurls early game made me very uncomfortable.

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  • AragakiAyase
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    Originally posted by thesunfan
    I don't even know if its angleshooting honestly
    I should've walked away from my laptop earlier
    I was just posting off of raw emotion in a bad way
    I feel bad about it
    if you define angleshooting as it's defined in the rules (which I checked lol), then no it's technically not I don't think. is it against the spirit of the game? yeah. is it OGI? maybe idk, it's a consequence of FFR forums

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  • Charu
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    Thanks guys, I feel a lot better now.

    I really did think if it was good or not. I even said to AA I was going to do what I was thinking originally, but...

    ...

    I chose not to because I felt like there was no way I could change someone's opinion on me.

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  • AragakiAyase
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    I think flaming is always part of twg, but I like it more when it stays below a certain level

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  • FreezinIce
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    I am sad that it got so personal though. And it seemed like people were legitimately not having fun

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  • thesunfan
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    Originally posted by FreezinIce
    Welp

    TWG Pandora

    Charu opened Pandoras box with this play and introduced a new way of angleshooting that I never even considered existed

    Not sure where I'm wrong about that sunfan
    I don't even know if its angleshooting honestly
    I should've walked away from my laptop earlier
    I was just posting off of raw emotion in a bad way
    I feel bad about it

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  • AragakiAyase
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    rip choof's wolf meta

    forever

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  • FreezinIce
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    Going into today I didn't suspect lito at all and would have not turned on him if not for the strange events that happened

    Good game to wolves, keeping me off of you for 3 phases was really well done sunfan and I suspected wab only by virtue of him living so long to the point of suspicion

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  • Litodude
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    Originally posted by AragakiAyase
    both the posts were linked in wolfchat that charu saw, so no it wasn't a coincidence I don't think
    o word

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  • inDheart
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    from deadchat: (cut out the more irrelevant stuff)

    [2:22 AM] AragakiAyase: Interesting find
    [2:22 AM] AragakiAyase: Charu saw sunfan browsing the twg thread just now
    [2:23 AM] AragakiAyase: And looking at the post where he voted yoshl(edited)
    [2:23 AM] AragakiAyase: Charu is now convinced sunfan is wolf
    [2:32 AM] DaBackpack: how do you know this about charu?
    [2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: He told me
    [2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: Wanted to know if it was angleshooting to use that
    [2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: I said it's not
    [2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: Also LOL
    [2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: He's nailing wnb
    [2:33 AM] AragakiAyase: For viewing the same post as sunfan
    [2:34 AM] AragakiAyase: If you think it's angleshooting please say so
    [2:34 AM] AragakiAyase: And it was never even mentioned
    [2:34 AM] AragakiAyase: But lurker used this reasoning against me
    [2:35 AM] DaBackpack: tbh i think that's angleshooty but i don't think it's fair to penalize charu for it
    [2:35 AM] Wolfe: I don't think it's angleshooty enough to punish
    [2:35 AM] AragakiAyase: People use people's online status as reasoning all the time
    [2:35 AM] Wolfe: Exactly
    [2:35 AM] AragakiAyase: It's fair game as far as I'm concerned
    [2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: It's a gray area
    [2:36 AM] DaBackpack: I guess, just seems like using "out of game information" to me
    [2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: But it's accepted so fine by me
    [2:36 AM] DaBackpack: yeah can't complain
    [2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: Well if people fuss about it we can discuss later
    [2:36 AM] DaBackpack: I don't really care
    [2:36 AM] Wolfe: Doubt anyone will lol it's used like every game
    [2:36 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah
    [2:36 AM] DaBackpack: really? wow
    [2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: Yep
    [2:37 AM] Wolfe: It's bad reasoning so nobody cares much
    [2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: Never as the final factor usually
    [2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: But it always comes up
    [2:37 AM] DaBackpack: seems rather finicky
    [2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: "x was in the thread and left"
    [2:37 AM] DaBackpack: "this person was viewing thread in the middle of the night phase"
    [2:37 AM] DaBackpack: ergo wolf
    [2:37 AM] Wolfe: Such bad
    [2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: I mean lurker literally said that to me
    [2:37 AM] inDheart: i say no it is not angleshooting, the site allows you to see the info after all
    [2:37 AM] AragakiAyase: And nothing happened
    [2:38 AM] inDheart: MU has it disabled for this reason
    [2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: "AA was in thread pre nightkill flip"
    [2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: "so he is probably wolf"
    [2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: I wasn't
    [2:38 AM] AragakiAyase: So lol
    [2:39 AM] AragakiAyase: Oh man charu saw that sunfan and wnb checked the same two posts
    [2:39 AM] AragakiAyase: Loooooool
    [2:39 AM] Wolfe: Yeah lol I remember Haku and MML always taking screenshots of the bottom and saying something ominous about remembering who was in thread at a given time
    [3:06 AM] AragakiAyase: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9-03-06-18.png
    [3:07 AM] DaBackpack: wait you can see if people are viewing specific posts?
    [3:07 AM] DaBackpack: I thought you could only do that for threads o.O
    [3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: You can through their profile
    [3:08 AM] DaBackpack: wow holy shit
    [3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: They're clicking on links being posted in wolfchat
    [3:08 AM] DaBackpack: that's a game changer
    [3:08 AM] inDheart: i bet they're linking individual posts in
    [3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: Mfw
    [3:08 AM] inDheart: yeah
    [3:08 AM] Wolfe: They should've logged out tbh
    [3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah
    [3:08 AM] DaBackpack: sunfan is going to be pissed the fuck off
    [3:08 AM] DaBackpack: I don't really blame him
    [3:08 AM] AragakiAyase: Tough
    [3:09 AM] DaBackpack: to see SPECIFIC POST VIEWING
    [3:09 AM] DaBackpack: that actually ties the wolves together
    [3:09 AM] DaBackpack: like being online, yeah sure
    [3:09 AM] DaBackpack: but seeing two people viewing the same post
    [3:09 AM] DaBackpack: that's actually rather admissible evidence
    [3:10 AM] inDheart: the links, man
    [3:10 AM] Wolfe: I couldn't fault someone who read into that, so I turn it off. They should've logged off lol
    [3:10 AM] DaBackpack: I don't mean to belabor the point
    [3:10 AM] AragakiAyase: This is rather incriminating
    [3:10 AM] AragakiAyase: I'm going to allow it though because again I think it's legal
    [3:11 AM] Wolfe: Lmao yeah I guess wolves will have to be more careful in the future.
    [3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: The only way to solve this if people want to solve it
    [3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: Is ban reasoning about this
    [3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: But people will still think it
    [3:11 AM] Wolfe: It's legal because there's no way to prevent it in the rules
    [3:11 AM] AragakiAyase: So lol
    [3:12 AM] DaBackpack: I don't disagree, entirely
    [3:12 AM] AragakiAyase: I think it's fine tbh
    [3:12 AM] DaBackpack: but ideologically it seems like a huge flaw of the system
    [3:12 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah agreed
    [3:12 AM] Wolfe: There's literally no way to stop it. Wolves will simply have to be logged out and be more careful in the future
    [3:12 AM] inDheart: there's a way to class it as angleshooting but then that means you just get ~creative~
    [3:12 AM] inDheart: plus it's a condition of the site we're on
    [3:12 AM] DaBackpack: you're solving the game by viewing wolf night actions (i.e. reading the thread)
    [3:12 AM] DaBackpack: it shouldn't be possible to introduce information into the game via night phase imo
    [3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: People can flip tables in postgame
    [3:13 AM] DaBackpack: I know, you can't punish this
    [3:13 AM] DaBackpack: it should be lega
    [3:13 AM] DaBackpack: legal
    [3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: Kinda funny the charu just solved the game though
    [3:13 AM] DaBackpack: but I think this behavior, when practiced, violates the spirit of twg
    [3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: And he's never the nk here
    [3:13 AM] AragakiAyase: Yeah I agree
    [3:13 AM] Wolfe: I agree
    [3:13 AM] inDheart: CHARU
    [3:14 AM] Wolfe: But the spirit of TWG isn't gonna stop people from abusing it, and there's no way to stop em in the rules
    [3:14 AM] DaBackpack: I mean, if Charu presents visual evidence, town literally wins?
    [3:14 AM] inDheart: also keep in mind, it's not like he 100% knows he's right
    [3:14 AM] Wolfe: He just literally broke FFRTWG lmao
    [3:14 AM] DaBackpack: that's true, but it's Charu, so he's gonna tunnel hard as fuck
    [3:14 AM] Wolfe: Wolves will have to be 100% more careful, thats the only solution
    [3:14 AM] Wolfe: Holy shit lmao
    [3:15 AM] inDheart: i always read on incognito for nights as a wolf
    [3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: Me too
    [3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: Lmao
    [3:15 AM] Wolfe: Yeah I'm paranoid like that too
    [3:15 AM] DaBackpack: I mean that's fair, when you KNOW about this flaw
    [3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: This is why
    [3:15 AM] inDheart: and i don't reread at night as town anymore
    [3:15 AM] AragakiAyase: Me too
    [3:15 AM] DaBackpack: but sunfan's wolf game was pretty much entirely fucked by a forum flaw

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  • AragakiAyase
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    both the posts were linked in wolfchat that charu saw, so no it wasn't a coincidence I don't think

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  • Gradiant
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    Gotta say Choof and Wineandbread posted pretty well.

    Other than that, this was my last twg game on this site. I don't regret replacing out because people one bit. Thanks to the small group (you probably know who you guys are) that made this game fun to play. Peace

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