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  • Vendetta21
    Sectional Moderator
    Sectional Moderator
    • Aug 2006
    • 2745

    #826
    Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

    Originally posted by MrPopadopalis25
    But you specifically said to j-rodd that you were planning on voting for dap had you set your alarm in time. Were you lying to jrodd or were you lying to me?
    can you quote this? i have been very liberal in speaking my mind so s[pecific wording is probably important here

    So it wasn't so much the content of the dialogue but the context/tone that led you to read him town? I know you said you were trying to make him angry at the start of the next phase, but were you being genuine when you said that some of his posts sounded fake w/r/t the zenith kill? Was that fake tone there not enough for you to change your mind on him?
    i don't remember saying i was trying to make him angry at the start of the next phase. possible misremembrance? my entire read on choof is based on context. it's a tiny snippet of townie purity you can only get at certain poins of the game.

    I've only played one other game with fiction and it was the one with our v/v argument where I was lynched first, so no, I've never had the opportunity to. However, even if fiction is a pathological liar as you claim, I don't think that excuses suspicious plays and interactions. People read me as scum when I appear town because there's a precedence of me appearing town when I'm a wolf (see blind and dap's early reads for examples); if there's a precedence of fiction appearing as scum when he's town, then there's still reason to believe that he's exactly that, just like how I could be town.
    you are trying to create a polarity or boolean qualifiers for a thing that is neither specifically polarized or boolean.

    I disagree. I've been accused of asking too many questions (by fojar I believe), and people such as tokzic, fiction, charu, and yourself have responded to my criticisms and points against them. Are those not sente moves, and can't sente moves exist within gote moves such as we're doing now?
    well both sente and gote are constructs to help define a thing, so yes they could probably exist at the same time. i'm trying to describe a quality that i don't necesasrily have specific wording for which is complacency or passiveness or willingness to follow the flow of the tide or whatever. you aren't trying to direct things while you still seem to have a dm modicum of conviction that is longstanding. how do you continue to hold onto the same reads relentlessly without becoming frustrated at being ignored?

    Fair enough, but I think not pursuing those interactions when they could potentially strengthen or bolster your cases is a waste of potential.
    ????

    I understand where you're coming from in your case against me, and I've been so convinced about you being scum that I haven't bothered to necessarily argue back against you, but a lot of your basis relies on PoE (ie you don't think it's fojar or jrodd or charu, so then who else could it be?) or claims about what a wolf would or wouldn't do in your perspective. You've only played two games with me, and one of them was my first TWG ever (not counting the half-hearted tgb ones) so your meta on me is lacking. Look at sunfan and charu, who have been in almost every game I've played: I am always bureaucratic because that's my nature, and I have a tendency to be neutral to a fault regardless of my alignment (though I'm trying to change that). Just because I don't conform to your view of what a townie plays like doesn't mean that I'm a wolf. That's why I wanted you to look at interactions.
    i have three things i always think are wolfy
    -doubling-down on yourn opinion when confrontedf
    -not engaging in confrontation when you have a strong opinion
    -complacently adding onto a railroad townie-lynch

    i don't think any one is condemning but i think you have down the first two consistenty.

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    • Vendetta21
      Sectional Moderator
      Sectional Moderator
      • Aug 2006
      • 2745

      #827
      Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

      Originally posted by FictionJunction
      his calm demeanor though... annoying and I don't like it
      SSRIs

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      • FictionJunction
        FFR Player
        • Nov 2006
        • 3843

        #828
        Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

        would V take drugs as a red? I don't know perhaps
        Originally posted by j-rodd123
        wow

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        • Tokzic
          FFR Player
          • May 2005
          • 6878

          #829
          Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

          Originally posted by Tokzic
          from where i'm sitting, the second i read v's post where he said manti lock clear i was like YUP OBV

          everybody else i'm reading as green also interpreted it as YUP OBV

          choof is the only player who was like WOW SO YOU THINK MANTI WAS THE N0 PEEK?
          v's pointed this out already but i want to highlight it: choof is not the only player who was dumbtelling weird about the manti flip

          Most People's Reactions:

          Originally posted by blindreper1179
          Wow, gg wolves. I didn't even notice the drops zenith was doing.
          Originally posted by MrPopadopalis25
          I was hoping that Zenith was trying to imitate choof's play from the last jtwg where he tried to draw the nightkill onto himself and away from the actual cop, but it looks like I was wrong.

          Either way, sorry for the suspicions, Manti.
          Originally posted by j-rodd123
          anyways no one piled on my fiction vote, i figured if fiction was town the wolves mightve tried to play it off like zenith peeked him wolf, but it was painfully obvious it was a manti town peek.

          gg zenith, next time dont be so obvious by getting mad at people for claiming vt/townie, at least it made me defend you and not wanna vote manti
          Fiction's Reaction:

          Originally posted by FictionJunction
          My gut still says manti, followed by V and perhaps jrodd. That's lumping too many -good players- together, though. Will have to reread Zenith's posts to see if there's anything I feel those players may have caught on too that others wouldn't have. Can't assume the seer dying was random unless it doesn't seem Zenith raised blue flags high enough to get killed.
          interestingly this happens AFTER v points out that manti is lock clear but BEFORE most other people's reactions, he says "will have to reread zenith's posts" but v had already highlighted the ones that matter

          further, blind immediately tries to correct fiction's dumb vote while fiction is actively in the thread

          Originally posted by blindreper1179
          Yo, fiction. based on Zenith's post, Manti was his random green check. I wish I noticed that, I would pushed on another target.
          and fiction responds immediately but completely ignores this and just responds to the part of the post that doesn't have anything to do with it

          Originally posted by FictionJunction
          yeah but a green is only useful to the team alive and one cannot expect a green to sac himself if he doesn't know who the blue is first. This game cannot have alliances so I take issue with your selflessness angle because it's more detrimental, especially now that the blue is dead - too convenient.
          what even

          v's posts pinpointing exactly why manti was lock clear were immediately after start of day and i have no fucking clue how fiction could have missed them, and if he did read them i have no fucking clue how he could still think voting manti was a good idea

          it's only AFTER half the thread goes "welp manti's lock clear" that he finally drops this and says "ok i'm reading zenith's posts now"

          it's like he's GOING OUT OF HIS WAY to be clueless

          Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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          • FictionJunction
            FFR Player
            • Nov 2006
            • 3843

            #830
            Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

            also - plop, you can't describe your take on your play and expect us not to roll our eyes when you offer it as a defense
            Originally posted by j-rodd123
            wow

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            • Charu
              Snivy! Dohoho!
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Mar 2006
              • 6207

              #831
              Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

              So fiction, if you had to vote right now (you probably should), who would it be?

              Would be it V? Do you want to vote V?

              Don't let someone choose for you this time, bruh


              Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
              Charu the red-nosed Snivy
              Had a very shiny nose
              And if you ever saw it
              You could even say it glows

              All of the other Snivies
              Used to laugh and call him names
              They never let poor Charu
              Join in any Snivy games

              (Click the arrow to see the rest)


              Originally posted by Vendetta21
              All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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              • FictionJunction
                FFR Player
                • Nov 2006
                • 3843

                #832
                Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                Maybe I did a bad job at quoting but I'm replying as I read the thread, that explains why a response might not align with the comments directly above it.

                I do eventually post that I read the whole thing and that Manti is clear. I even make fun of how strongly zenith softed.
                Originally posted by j-rodd123
                wow

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                • FictionJunction
                  FFR Player
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 3843

                  #833
                  Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                  Maybe I did a bad job at quoting but I'm replying as I read the thread, that explains why a response might not align with the comments directly above it.

                  I do eventually post that I read the whole thing and that Manti is clear. I even make fun of how strongly zenith softed.
                  Originally posted by j-rodd123
                  wow

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                  • FictionJunction
                    FFR Player
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 3843

                    #834
                    Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                    so don't even bother, tokzic - waste of your time
                    Originally posted by j-rodd123
                    wow

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                    • FictionJunction
                      FFR Player
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 3843

                      #835
                      Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                      Originally posted by Charu
                      So fiction, if you had to vote right now (you probably should), who would it be?

                      Would be it V? Do you want to vote V?

                      Don't let someone choose for you this time, bruh
                      can you tell me why Jrodd is green again?
                      Originally posted by j-rodd123
                      wow

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                      • Charu
                        Snivy! Dohoho!
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 6207

                        #836
                        Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                        I never said j-rodd was green?

                        Also stop that, there's 10 minutes left... speaking of...


                        Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                        Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                        Had a very shiny nose
                        And if you ever saw it
                        You could even say it glows

                        All of the other Snivies
                        Used to laugh and call him names
                        They never let poor Charu
                        Join in any Snivy games

                        (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                        Originally posted by Vendetta21
                        All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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                        • Charu
                          Snivy! Dohoho!
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 6207

                          #837
                          Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                          Originally posted by Charu
                          I will when it's like 10 minutes till if it swings that way, darling.
                          I'm keeping my word!

                          fiction


                          Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                          Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                          Had a very shiny nose
                          And if you ever saw it
                          You could even say it glows

                          All of the other Snivies
                          Used to laugh and call him names
                          They never let poor Charu
                          Join in any Snivy games

                          (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                          Originally posted by Vendetta21
                          All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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                          • FictionJunction
                            FFR Player
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 3843

                            #838
                            Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                            I think everyone thinks jrodd is green. Anyway, I voted for jrodd. I'll do it again to make that clear. jrodd
                            Originally posted by j-rodd123
                            wow

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                            • Charu
                              Snivy! Dohoho!
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 6207

                              #839
                              Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                              I like how FFR decides right now to take 30 seconds to load a page.

                              Wonderful.


                              Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
                              Charu the red-nosed Snivy
                              Had a very shiny nose
                              And if you ever saw it
                              You could even say it glows

                              All of the other Snivies
                              Used to laugh and call him names
                              They never let poor Charu
                              Join in any Snivy games

                              (Click the arrow to see the rest)


                              Originally posted by Vendetta21
                              All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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                              • FictionJunction
                                FFR Player
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 3843

                                #840
                                Re: TWG 131 - Game of Champions

                                gl guys it was fun preaching to the firing squad
                                Originally posted by j-rodd123
                                wow

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