TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

[FictionJunction]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

Alright, I'll play along. You're saying it's abnormal that dark is not responding or acting accordingly with his "meta" to some posts?

Is my dumb drunkin' mind understanding this right?

I'm saying that there are things that I expect of manti and those are things I think he wouldn't oblige because helping greens as a red doesn't help reds.

[Svaz]

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As a baseline a question I tend to ask myself about each player is "why are they playing this game? What motivates them to play TWG?" This is perhaps the first and most valuable question one must ask about a player.

Some people like a puzzle they can never be sure if they are solving or not. Some people like to obsess over the details to find some logical or behavioral aberration. Some people like to display how smart they are. None of these seem to fit you. Do you get why that concerns me?

Springboarding from this point, kinda wish we could have a meta-thread about play motivations, but I guess that would sort of ruin future games overall. I'm really fond of that concept all the same. Nonetheless...

I am inclined to mostly agree with dAnce, and a lot of this inclination is drawn from playing games with V in person. For one, he's being terribly placid here -- I know from experience that he has a tendency to be merciless, slightly petty, and definitely invested in ALL of the glory (more like all of the gloating). For as verbose as he can be, he's being reserved, even terse here. I can also agree with the display of some kind of text-based cognitive dissonance mentioned.

While it doesn't seem out of character for him to go after someone consistently, the fact that it's someone relatively new that hasn't done anything (imo) suspicious at this point seems a bit harsh. I get it, he's defending someone that a lot of people voted for, but for someone that hasn't experienced or encountered any of the many games and personalities of games past, it's honestly not a strange perception to have. I don't think it's nearly as wolfy as V is trying to present it being.

My instinct is to hold out for a retort... but I feel the most prudent thing is to go ahead and vote for V.

(I'd personally still like to hear a bit more from both of the replacements, but I can empathise with having to dredge through all of the white noise to make it to the current page, so it doesn't seem a particularly pressing issue right now.)

[FictionJunction]

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You're going to have to accept I missed phase end because I was doing other things. If I was here I would have been involved. I was not.

Your read hinges on me being in the thread and active. I got home from work at 4 on Sunday and read through the entire thread while watching the broncos-eagles game. I made a few posts in here, but eventually got bored, watched the end of the game, and did other things. When I came back the day phase was over.

I can't make plays when I'm not around.

I mean I don't have a GPS collar on you so I guess I'll have to take your word for it

[Charu]

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Alright, I'll play along. You're saying it's abnormal that dark is not responding or acting accordingly with his "meta" to some posts?

Is my dumb drunkin' mind understanding this right?

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: TWG CI: Fiction's Birthday Party

when your meta strategy involved NOT BEING ACTIVE you have to weigh blatant inactivity or apathy against moments YOU KNOW FOR A FACT would have under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES resulted in a response you didn't get from the player in question.

You're going to have to accept I missed phase end because I was doing other things. If I was here I would have been involved. I was not.

Your read hinges on me being in the thread and active. I got home from work at 4 on Sunday and read through the entire thread while watching the broncos-eagles game. I made a few posts in here, but eventually got bored, watched the end of the game, and did other things. When I came back the day phase was over.

I can't make plays when I'm not around.

[FictionJunction]

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like seriously, you guys are talking about what's there and I'm talking about what's NOT there and you think we're having the same fucking conversation.

Come back when you're not fucking drunk

[FictionJunction]

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it's not always about what's in the thread, it's very often about what should have been.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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I find it amusing you know what video game I'm currently playing.

[FictionJunction]

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when your meta strategy involved NOT BEING ACTIVE you have to weigh blatant inactivity or apathy against moments YOU KNOW FOR A FACT would have under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES resulted in a response you didn't get from the player in question.

ARE YOU GUYS DENSE?

[FictionJunction]

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Maybe if you actually read the thread.................

Lol. So tell me fic, since you say that you know Manti better, what would wolf Manti do? I am curious to know since this claim made me giggle a bit.

if I told you that Manticore still cares about TWG would you believe it?

Maybe. The thing about Manticore is that he cares about TWG but he is very selective about what games he cares enough about to participate in. This is a little problematic because it allows him to play behind a veil of authoritative apathy as a red. It's difficult to reveal Manti's tell because you have to strike at the heart of what Manti cares about: being right, calling people out and winning. That last bit is the most important, obviously, because it supersedes the former two. Manti is willing to be wrong and is willing to forgo calling people out in exchange for a win. The only circumstance that would choose to do this is him being red.

So, we must look back and ask is Manti posting less because he normally 'joins' games on d2 d3? Is he posting less because he wants to get a clear read on people? Is he only posting to complain about people raising stupid questions because he's annoyed? Is he purposefully filtering himself? Weren't there particular moments in the thread that I would have expected Manti to say something constructive?

Because, let's face it, Manti is busy playing Ninja Gaiden but Manti also gets turned on by the possibility of leading people out of a mess. I think that opportunity presented itself a number of times.

[FictionJunction]

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which I suppose you are ismply unaware of because you're INEXPERIENCED but keep pushing those buttons because you'll get lynched. AND GUESS WHAT. IT's just as much your responsibility to not get lynched as it is to catch wolves if you're green.

Guess who doesn't have that responsibility: me.

[FictionJunction]

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Do you guys remember I said something about how projecting your own views onto someone else is not how to play twg?

I don't think I've projected my own views onto anything. In fact, we have Manti here accepting that he KNOWS WHERE I'M COMING FROM because there are CERTAIN THINGS HE DOES AND IS EXPECTED TO DO UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.

[FictionJunction]

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You guys gotta get on my level playing field yo otherwise all of this is just gonna be greek 2 u

[FictionJunction]

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But is it obvious?

No, because it's going back to what I said about mind games and second guessing. Questioning yourself "why did he say this" is a stupid tactic that 80% of the time will be wrong unless you know this guy 100%, front and back, his personal life, his behavior stance, how to tell when he's joking or not.

And to put this all together, you need to know all of this through pure black text.

I fail to see this as "obvious."

it's actually not.

Here I'll prove it to you.

You'll think I'm red because I'm accusing manti, who you think is not red, of being red. I'm not red. Good job.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Fiction expects me to guide people away from bad lynches come end of day phases because I will vehemently defend people I don't think should be lynched. This is because my main desire playing twg is to win. That being said I had already taken the stance of "DANCEGUY IS OBVIOUSLY HUMAN WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR HIM MORONS". Fiction expected me to step up to the plate and flat out tell everyone who was voting danceguy to pick a different target.

I think that opportunity presented itself a number of times.

I didn't do that. In fact I wasn't even around for the end of the day phase (not sure where you got me viewing the thread from during that time j-rodd). I let a lot of people place votes all over the place, and didn't put in much effort directing the lynch towards yoman/tps who was my vote.

I don't have any superb reasoning why I didn't get involved though. I wasn't really interested, knew my read was weak, and the eagles-broncos game was way higher on my priority list.