TWG Turbo III Game Thread Knife in the Bahamas

[_Zenith_]

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Ok, I'll explain my thoughts.

First of all, this post here:



The bolded statement is reeeeally strange, and the defense that "fakeclaiming is dumb" doesn't hold up because that is one of the only things you can do to save yourself from a lynch when EoD is so near (Yes, we now know that claim was true, but that's irrelevant).

However, if Tokzic is a wolf, then he definitely had sufficient evidence to trust that claim was true, which might have made him slip.

In a world with a Tokzic/mellon scumteam, the list of checks looks like this

roundbox checked wineandbread
charu checked mellonxcollie
Zenith checked Tokzic
arnt checked wineandbread
juckter checked charu
Tokzic checked wineandbread

That means they could instantly discard both zenith and charu as seers, leaving only round, arnt, and I as possible seers. After arnt's lynch, even if he wasn't the actual seer, it would have been easy for them to hunt down round and I. Since at that point arnt was fairly likely to be the seer, it's not strange that Tokzic would believe his claim.

Additionally, from their perspective, the votecount would end up like this:

Tokzic - mellon
Arnt - Charu, MML, round, juckter
MML - Tokzic
Not Voting - wineandbread, Arnt

That would mean that the wagon on Arnt would be entirely town, and so they would be able to mislynch in that wagon with relative ease on day 1, since you'd expect at least one wolf to be in that wagon. Of course, an all-green wagon seems hard to believe, but IMO, Arnt's was obvious enough for it to happen.

With a Tokzic/Charu team, the list would be even cleaner

roundbox checked wineandbread
charu checked mellonxcollie
Zenith checked Tokzic
arnt checked wineandbread
juckter checked charu
Tokzic checked wineandbread

In this scenario, they can instantly discard all claims except for round's and arnt's, so once the wagon on Arnt was formed, they would definitely be able to remove the seer from the game on either the first day or the first night.

From their perspective, the votecount would end up like this:

Tokzic - mellon
Arnt - Charu, MML, round, juckter
MML - Tokzic
Not Voting - wineandbread, Arnt

This makes the wagon on Arnt much more normal than in the previous case, but it is still dominated by the town and it allows them to mislynch inside that wagon the next day because of how town-align Charu seemed to everyone.

This is the least interesting of the three possible teams, the only notable thing here is that the wagon on Arnt would be entire town, allowing them to mislynch inside that wagon. However, I believe this team to be the most unlikely.

tl;dr: Tokzic's post doesn't makes sense as town, but it makes sense as a scumslip.

What I love about this is you asked for time so you can defend yourself after I explained why I think you are a wolf, and yet you jumped on Tokzic yet again.

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG Turbo III Game Thread Knife in the Bahamas

The start of day interactions between Zenith and juck read strangely to me.

[Tokzic]

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Roundbox said he wanted to vote juck before he died, and there seems to be some consensus that juck's behaviour is pretty questionable.

Hey juckter, you are wrong about me being a wolf, friend. I think I'd like to you consider some alternate realities than the ones you are presenting.

[Tokzic]

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Also it's looking like I am going to be dragged downtown to a convention lol, I'm not sure if I will be here for EoD. I'll place my vote before I go but I'd like to wait as long as possible

This is the third lynch Raeko is abstaining from... ~_______~

[juckter1]

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I guess my question would be, why would you assume that the wolf team would consider those claims to be truthful? I automatically assume that literally everything literally every player says on D0 is a joke. Like, if I were Tokzic and Zenith said he checked Tokzic, I would assume that he was just saying some BS and ignore him. It wouldn't make me think he was or was not the cop, it would be a null joke.

Well, the entire point of outing fake claims D0 is so that the actual cop can out his checks without being instantly killed by the wolves, so that if he dies, then you have one or more confirmed alignments. This is useful, but it may put the cop at a higher risk than if nobody gave checks.

Say Alice is town and Bob is a wolf. Alice claims a green check on Bob. Then, Bob and his partner know that Alice can't possibly be the cop, so they will choose who to kill from among the other players.

[Tokzic]

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friendly reminder to town that everybody needs to vote for a wolf together or we lose

[_Zenith_]

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I think I'd like to you consider some alternate realities than the ones you are presenting.

You know those teams he laid out actually are eerily similar to one another.

The similarities being it's 90% about vote counts and lynches as well as Arnt's wagon. What I find the strangest about these team layouts, is you are the common factor in each presented.

I understand he fully believes you are a wolf so that is why you show up, but he hasn't considered that he could be wrong and it theoretically could be Mellon/Zenith, Charu/Zenith, Charu/Mellon.

A little confirmation bias? Maybe. A town legitimately trying to find a wolf team? Unlikely.

[AragakiAyase]

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Votes from post 437 to post 471
Night in 2:39:13
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 1 -- juckter1 -- Tokzic (8)
• 1 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (12)
• 3 -- not voting -- Charu (2), juckter1 (5), mellonxcollie (6)

[Tokzic]

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charu hasn't said a single thing this entire phase

[_Zenith_]

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The fuck is this series of posts?

Zenith, come on, even YOU should know we're in Mylo, right!?!?!?

Putting a vote, and then saying you won't explain why until later? I don't care if you unvoted after luckter suddenly said you're being dumb (which is super lol) but what in the WORLD dude.

But please humor me with this. Are you actually partnering up with Juckter here and following in this pocketing attempt?

Lets here it, bucko.

This is all he said this phase

[juckter1]

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What I love about this is you asked for time so you can defend yourself after I explained why I think you are a wolf, and yet you jumped on Tokzic yet again.

Despite juckter literally have 0 direction in scumreading (admitting to not being able to develop a scumread), he must've felt pressured into voting Tokzic by Charu but he keeps flipflopping his read on Tokzic??????

Most of juckter is following someone else's direction in the game, and without developing even the slightest true scumread (I use true here in the sense that his reads are heavily influenced on others) leaves me to believe he isn't of town. Town naturally needs to point fingers at people even if it's bullshit, you need to stir the mixing pot of players to form content. Even if it winds up getting heated, it's still what needs to be done period.

I'm very confident Juckter being lynched is one wolf down.

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If juckter is lynched and flips wolf and Charu lives through the night, Charu is a suspect.

I have been lazy as fuck this game, I'll admit. That is a shitty excuse and there is no reason for you to believe me.

[juckter1]

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You know those teams he laid out actually are eerily similar to one another.

The similarities being it's 90% about vote counts and lynches as well as Arnt's wagon. What I find the strangest about these team layouts, is you are the common factor in each presented.

I understand he fully believes you are a wolf so that is why you show up, but he hasn't considered that he could be wrong and it theoretically could be Mellon/Zenith, Charu/Zenith, Charu/Mellon.

A little confirmation bias? Maybe. A town legitimately trying to find a wolf team? Unlikely.

I have not considered Mellon/Zenith or Charu/Zenith because I still believe you are town. I haven't really looked at what Charu/Mellon would say but I don't think it's more likely than Tokzic being a wolf.

[juckter1]

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Roundbox said he wanted to vote juck before he died, and there seems to be some consensus that juck's behaviour is pretty questionable.

Hey juckter, you are wrong about me being a wolf, friend. I think I'd like to you consider some alternate realities than the ones you are presenting.

Okay.

Tokzic

Wolves, please feel free to win if Tokzic is somehow town

[_Zenith_]

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Tokzic]

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friendly reminder to town that everybody needs to vote for a wolf together or we lose

If you're town you just lose us the game like this fyi.

If you're town you need to stop being lazy and fix your perspective because town is powerless here unless it is unified.