TWG XC Host Signups

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

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**** the TWC. The problem is obvious. The solution is obvious. You wouldn't be the only one taking a hit from this decision, BDN. There are games that I'd like to host too, but I'm willing to put that aside for now because I think this is far more important than showing off our abilities as hosts and game makers.

I understand what you're saying, but I think you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to be confrontational, and this is not for egotistical reasons. My game simply brought something different to the table, while still adhering (or trying anyway) to the cause of providing games that encourage human activity and improvement. If I have failed epically, that's too bad. No one needs to play my game, and I'm sure there are benefits to be had with fundamental games. I was just making a point for my game. This is a democratic process, is it not?

[FictionJunction]

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yeah, I get that. I just feel we need to ignore that right now, hurt some feelings, grow some balls, and start over.

I'm confident that another psychic/seer/mw game is the best way to approach our problem. Especially now that we have the same game fresh in everybody's minds. It'll give us a chance to compare results and reassess similar situations in a different fashion.

[Syhto]

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alright, i'll draw out since a few people have stated they would rather me play. This will only be my third game, so I'll take the practice. clarinet

[Makilaz]

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Clarinet, make player signups now. Enough waiting.

[Gun92]

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I don't think I have ever seen a game end and go thru host sign ups plus starting a game in the same day.

[clarinet89]

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player sign-ups are posted and will open tomorrow

[Afrobean]

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psychic/seer game

It should be the same as last game, except blues are disallowed from revealing themselves. No public reveals, and no private reveals. Not even as a joke. Not even as a lie.

Maybe drop one wolf from the numbers to balance the master wolf and the complete impossibility of alliance. See, usually when there is no guardian to protect the seer, the seer doesn't have to deal with the MW, but allowing green reports to be 100% accurate means there would still be a hidden alliance.

But I see my input is worthless as everything was decided while I was sleeping. Oh well.

[FictionJunction]

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that'd be difficult to control. We've tried several games where certain roles are censored and it just never worked properly.

[Afrobean]

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that'd be difficult to control. We've tried several games where certain roles are censored and it just never worked properly.

Ok, how is it controlled then that the dead cannot give information to the living?

On a personal basis. People need to control themselves and they need to be willing to not break the rules. If they witness themselves or anyone else breaking the rules, they would just tell the host and they'd be replaced or killed on the spot.

It's not hard. I don't see how it could be unless the players these days are a bunch of willful cheaters.

[Syhto]

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I disagree, let people play the game as they will. Limiting basic things, like being able to manipulate people through role revealing etc, will keep them from realizing the advantages and disadvantages of it. Which I think is defeating the purpose. If the seer happens to seer another blue, they shouldn't be forbidden to reveal their role as seer to them. I understand they need to learn to manipulate through their words in the thread, and characterize people based on their actions, but you can't take away something so basic. It doesn't really make sense.

The point was to make it impossible to form an ironclad blue alliance. There will be a lot of speculation in these alliances, and they will not be impenetrable. There won't be a guard to constantly protect seer, this endless cycle with blues making it to the end. Because they will not be able to come out to everyone in the thread. You see where I'm going with this? It's unnecessary to ban role revealment.

[FictionJunction]

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no no arfo, I thought you were talking about not letting them reveal themselves in-game.

[Afrobean]

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As I pointed out during last game, technically speaking, revealing your role is breaking the rules.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=91222

"3a. Players are not allowed to reveal their PMs or conversations with the host to anyone else."

Revealing your role is revealing the contents of your first PM from the host.

If the seer happens to seer another blue, they shouldn't be forbidden to reveal their role as seer to them.

That's not what I mean to disallow. Rather, the goal should be to not allow the blues to use their POSITION as a blue to help themselves. For example, coming out in the thread and saying "I'm the seer", is an absolute fact as long as no one contests it. It's because there is only one of the role in the game. They gain a benefit not from their power, but simply from being different than a green.

Even if it's privately. Because the people are apparently too dense to notice how easily they can be fooled.

Maybe we just need to play a game like last one but with some wolves with balls who are willing to privately fake blue, so that private reveals can be seen as less useful due to the likelihood of being fake. In other words, if I come to you privately next game and claim to be the seer, I'm actually a wolf!

[Syhto]

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Well, it would just be plain stupid to reveal seer in-game this particular game. But I see what you're saying, in general. I believe players need to learn to better take advantage the tools given to them, ie the aim logs, pms, and the thread. Along with their roles.

Also:

<syhto> also it kind of pisses me off how manti was like the only wolf that did ANYTHING
<syhto> what the ****
<syhto> if you just float through the entire game hoping not to get caught, what are you really even playing?

I understand I don't know what happened "behind closed doors" so to speak, but how can you possibly analyze something that isn't there? You actually have to discuss the game, specifically in-thread. There isn't always a guarantee someone will reply to an aim session. I want to emphasize the importance of activity.

[Viccica]

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Shouldn't this be in postgame?

Topsy Turvy

One day the TWG gang decides to go to the Carnival. Everything starts to go wrong in the random.org house of fun...




20 players

5 wolves



Ringleader- He's at the head of his little gang. Not big or brawny, but clearly the brains of the operation. Is always seered green. Sends in the wolf pm for the night.
Clown - It's like 'It' all over again. He's a psychotic mass-murderer who came to the carnival as a cover. Under that painted-on crimson smile lay the tales of a psychopath. Can choose to kill one person at any given point in the game. This will be real time. As soon as I read the PM, I will post that player x has died and they will be out of the game. He's deathly afraid of mirrors, hating the way he is forced to paint his face for the sake of this carnival, however. So if the House of Mirrors Carnies targets him he will have a meltdown and kill himself, along with one other non-wolf player.
Crystal Ball Psychic - Be careful coming near this guy. He's dangerous and a little crazy. Can seer one person per night phase with their real color. His sworn enemy and rival is the opposing team's seer and wants to put that mofo outta business.
Mime - No one likes mimes. They're just annoying copycats. He can choose to copy one player's role at the cost of his vote the following day. He will still need to put in a vote to avoid a phantom, it just won't be counted. If he targets the seer, he can choose his seering target the following night phase.
The Tattooed Man - His body is a needle-induced work of art. If the seer seers him, the seer will be stunned and recieve a faulty report for the next two night phases. The seer will be unaware of this detriment. He has a soft spot for the Bearded Lady, however and will not permit the wolves to attack her during the night.



The House of Mirrors Carnie- Once she's got you in her maze of mirrors, she can darn near see into your soul. Her pristine house of mirrors makes even the cruelest minds cave. She can pull one person a night into her house, and she'll know your color as it appears on the surface, but cannot tell if it's a lie or not.
Friendly Psychic - A kindly old Jamaican woman trying to scrounge by from night to night as a carnie. Is given the number of wolves left in the game at the beginning of every day phase.
The Bearded Lady - She's big. She's buff. She's hairy. She's not someone you want to mess with. She has a very close relationship with the Tattooed Man. Cannot be killed at night.
The Juggling Man - He never wanted to be a juggler for the carnival, but they didn't like him throwing his balls around an operating table much. At the cost of any activity in the thread including his vote for the day he may choose four targets to return to their true seer color. Will still need to vote to avoid a phantom, but it will not be counted.

The Fat Stubby Carnie - Is given three items at the start of the game which he cannot use and has a chance to get another item equal to the ratio of wolves to humans every night phase (4 wolves to 12 humans 4/12 chance). This carnie is generally a self-serving jerk trying to con you out of your money, so be careful of what his motives may be behind it all. He cannot use the items and if he hoards them for more than two phases they will turn into something bad and be given to a random person.

Food Stand Man - Is given 3 items at the beginning of the game which he cannot use and has a chance to get another item equal to the ratio of wolves to humans (4 wolves to 12 humans 4/12 chance) every day phase. Depicted as a friendly old man, but be careful. He raised the fat stubbie carnie who gave you your ticket when you came in. He's bound to be a trickster. He cannot use the items and if he hoards them for more than two phases they will turn into something bad and be given to a random person.

9 normal humans
Note: At the beginning of the game, every person who is a non-wolf will be given a number from 1-4. This will represent the color they will be when they are seered. Wolves and blues are not aware of the colors they have recieved, normal humans, however, are told their own color.
1- Red
2- Blue
3- Purple
4- Green



Items:
The Fat Stubby Carnie:
Entrance Ticket - No one questions who the Fat Stubby Carnie lets into his fair. Gives you a one-time guard you can use at any point in the game. Effective against a lynch. If this is held too long by the carnie it will null the reciever's vote for the day. They will still need to vote to avoid a phantom, it just won't count.
Stuffed Animal Prize - It's cute, cuddly and.. what? It's got fleas! You lose your night activity while you scrub yourself raw all night.
Kissing booth stub - When you redeem your kiss from the foxy young woman manning the booth, you feel untouchable and on top of the world. You get a one-time vigi. Don't wait too long to redeem your kiss, the next woman in line is called 'Large Marge' for a reason. If this item is held too long by the Carnie, it will become rotten and your big, disgusting wet kiss from Large Marge will roleblock the user for the next night phase.
Carnie's whip - Can only be recieved if The Fat Stubby Carnie dies. In rejoice of his death, you decide to remodel. Can be used once to completely take the role of another person and switch it with your own. Can be used at any time.

The Food Stand Man:
Candy Apple - You will feel hyper and exhuberant after eating this apple. It makes your vote for the next day phase count for double. It goes bad after two phases and will become a Slimy Taffy.
Slimy Taffy - It's almost like it's already been in someone's mouth... Is that a piece of hair?! You have no choice in activating this item. One random player dies. Can only be recieved if the Carnie lets the apple go bad.
Cotton Candy - This carnival has made you feel like a kid again. You've gotten in touch with your inner self and reverted back to the color you should be.
Rat on a stick - If you are given this, you've been severely, severely pranked. Your seer color changes to red automatically and you have no choice in the matter.
Black licorice - Oh, come on! No one likes black licorice. You lose your night activity due to excessive vomitting.

[FictionJunction]

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player sign-ups is already up