jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

[jugglinguy]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

WARNING LONG POST

Why is it that everything that lito says is law? Sure, he found trav, but with lito being a regular player in TWG, he realized that once trav had no chance of staying alive, it was safe for him to push the lynch even more, which caused him to gain a huge amount of trust from all players. With his experience and knowing he had trust let him have it easy and just make up a seering, saying that I’m red, when in fact, no one knows that he didn’t just make them up like trav made up the chatlog. Also with that trust he made everyone bandwagon him when he said “my intuition leads me to believe rzr is a wolf” after he said that, everyone just went and voted him right off, only to find out he’s human.

After posting the kicker to kill off trav, like i said before, he gained trust, especially from the masons. With the alliance he formed with the masons, he became one of them essentially, just with a red role. To confirm that he was really working with the masons and not wasting time with the normal humans, he got info from trav's cousin who told trav all of the masons, and then trav in turn told lito.

Now this goes for tonight's wolving. Lito had to kill the morph, which he knew who it was because of the overtrusting of him. Anyways, I'd bet that jokim the morph actually seered a mason. Since the masons had full trust of lito, they were willing to tell jokim about him. Jokim then said that he was the morph and that the morph role was no longer in play. With this information, lito decided to do the strategy of trav, which he laughed at earlier (making it less likely he'd actually be doing this). This strategy was to pick a random person and have them be said as a wolve. In his post, he said that i was seer'd red and there was no counterclaim from jokim. Why? Because of the complete trust that lito had, he probably just told jokim to keep it quiet, and that it was just another one of his "tests". If jokim told anyone that he seer'd a mason, or said that lito was doing another one of his tests and he had to withhold information, lito would be dead for sure. That is exactly why lito wolved jokim.

[Xception704]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

To be honest, even without Juggling's post, we should lynch Lito anyway.

And at the latest, if you guys still decide to bandwagon with Lito and lynch Juggling, then IF Juggling turns up green, it'll be undeniable that Lito's a wolf, considering he "confirmed" Juggling as a wolf.

So either way, vote Lito or Juggling, Lito should die by tomorrow.

[dooey100]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Yeah, there has been some really weird stuff especially the rzr thing. I no longer really believe jokim saw jugglin, especially since it is second hand info. lito

[Xception704]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Now that I look back on it, I really don't like how Lito was like "rzr's a wolf bandwagon vote rzr hur hur don't think about it, just vote"

and everyone voted rzr. It would have been okay (heck, it would have been great) if rzr had cardflipped red, but the truth is, he cardflipped green.

So now my confidence and any confidence you have should be put under extremely close scrutiny.

I'm voting Lito.

[sc979]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

The only problem is that the masons already know who is a mason and who isn't. If lito is a wolf posing as a mason, the masons that are still alive would have given counterclaims by now and would have no reason to trust him. But somehow, we have 3 people suspicious of lito. This seems odd, but unless I hear someone who is a mason being suspicious of lito, then my vote will stay on jugglinguy.

[jugglinguy]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

With all the trust he had, the masons accepted him as a part of their alliance. He could of easy just told each mason his plan, and that he'd pose as a mason as one of his "tests"

[Xception704]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

What Juggling says could be true and makes sense.

But I'm also wondering. Where are you masons? You have a voice too.

[Litodude]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Oops posted wrong, has it on another window.



Thank you for finally trying to counter claim me juggling, really.

WARNING LONG POST

Why is it that everything that lito says is law? Sure, he found trav, but with lito being a regular player in TWG, he realized that once trav had no chance of staying alive, it was safe for him to push the lynch even more, which caused him to gain a huge amount of trust from all players. With his experience and knowing he had trust let him have it easy and just make up a seering, saying that I’m red, when in fact, no one knows that he didn’t just make them up like trav made up the chatlog.

I have no idea what you're trying to say juggling. You're just making a foolish attempt to try and save yourself, using the correct wolving of travman as your defense, which doesn't correlate to anything you are trying to prove. How could I have made up all the seerings? Which seerings, did I say, that you believe I made up? None. Zip. Nada. The only "seering" that was made was done by jokim. And if you HONESTLY believe that I made up the whole goddamn chatlogs with jokim you're mistaken.

he realized that once trav had no chance of staying alive, it was safe for him to push the lynch even more, which caused him to gain a huge amount of trust from all players.

Again, what? You're saying because I accurately caught trav trying to pretend to be the Morph, I "pushed" him to be lynched? Um, I don't understand what you're trying to do. TAVMAN WAS A WOLF. He got caught! If that's not a reason to trust me, then I don't know what is. You may ask the other two masons, heavy and chris, to validate MY masonry.

Also with that trust he made everyone bandwagon him when he said “my intuition leads me to believe rzr is a wolf” after he said that, everyone just went and voted him right off, only to find out he’s human.

Well excuse me sir, I didn't know I couldn't make mistakes. It's not my fault that rzr wasn't a wolf. I did not intentionally wish to vote for him in the first place. It was moreso to get a response from him. Also, excuse me for having people bandwagon on my vote for rzr.

After posting the kicker to kill off trav, like i said before, he gained trust, especially from the masons. With the alliance he formed with the masons, he became one of them essentially, just with a red role. .

Holy wow you're full of ****. As I said earlier, ask chris and heavy to validate me being mason. Since there's only two wolves left, you and Xception, and one wolf is dead, I couldn't be wolf. Here's the logic if you couldn't figure it out: I told the names of the mason. Me, heavy and chris. Trav is dead, which leaves two wolves. EVEN IF the remaining two wolves were pretending to be mason, us three would completely abolish their facade knowing that one of their wolve-mates is already dead. I COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE A WOLF, since heavy and chris can say, without any doubt, that I am a Mason.

To confirm that he was really working with the masons and not wasting time with the normal humans, he got info from trav's cousin who told trav all of the masons, and then trav in turn told lito.

Okay this is what you just said: Chris told me who the Masons were. Chris told trav who the masons were. Trav then tells me who the Masons are.

What THE HELL ARE YO TRYING TO SAY??? Can't you see you're not making any sense at all? Your defense is so poorly written it's not hard to spot you being a wolf miles away. Your "confirmation" of me working with the masons make absolutely no sense. In fact, it doesn't even sum up to anything that points out that I'm a wolf. I applaud you for trying, though.

Now this goes for tonight's wolving. Lito had to kill the morph, which he knew who it was because of the overtrusting of him.

If the Morph trusted me, why would I want him dead? Your backwards thinking has gotten YOU confused yourself. Wouldn't you want to keep that person around, in order to probe him even more, and manipulate his or her actions? Isn't that right Xception?

Anyways, I'd bet that jokim the morph actually seered a mason.

...jokim said it HIMSELF that juggling is red. I didn't post that. HE did. If you're trying to say that jokim is also a wolf, then you're just ****ing stupid.

Since the masons had full trust of lito, they were willing to tell jokim about him. Jokim then said that he was the morph and that the morph role was no longer in play.

Ugh, I'm not even going to bother with whatever you're trying to play with me not being a Mason. i was the one to contact jokim. In fact, the Morph didn't come to me, I CAME TO HIM.

Litodude (10:51:22 PM): posted ;_;
Litodude (10:51:27 PM): ps i'm a mason
Zanethra (10:55:06 PM): Really ?? o_O
Litodude (10:55:09 PM): yea
Litodude (10:55:11 PM): i came out
Litodude (10:55:16 PM): i'm the mason
Litodude (10:55:18 PM): well
Litodude (10:55:21 PM): a mason
Litodude (10:55:27 PM): right here
Litodude (10:55:28 PM): right now
Litodude (10:55:32 PM): are you the morph?
Litodude (10:55:40 PM): i have strong faith that you are?
Zanethra (10:55:44 PM): I am.
Litodude (10:55:50 PM): yes
Litodude (10:55:50 PM): yes
Litodude (10:55:50 PM): yes
Litodude (10:55:52 PM): **** ES
Litodude (10:55:55 PM): thank god
Litodude (10:55:56 PM): okay
Litodude (10:56:00 PM): do NOT tell trav
Zanethra (10:56:04 PM): But i dunno who was the previous one
Litodude (10:56:07 PM): i STILL don't trust him
Zanethra (10:56:08 PM): I am not telling him
Zanethra (10:56:11 PM): I do not trust him
Zanethra (10:56:44 PM): I think hoochan might have REALLY been morph...
Litodude (10:56:56 PM): oh man
Litodude (10:57:06 PM): okay well
Litodude (10:57:16 PM): i'm still not going to give the names of the other masons
Litodude (10:57:23 PM): if you wish
Litodude (10:57:34 PM): you could include me in your nightly skill
Litodude (10:57:45 PM): i also want you to get trav and someone else
Litodude (10:57:48 PM): i'm not sure of
Litodude (10:58:00 PM): i don't really trust trav
Litodude (10:58:06 PM): here i'll help you out:
Litodude (10:58:11 PM): on why i tst him
Litodude (10:58:27 PM): a noob mason gave away my name and the other masons name to trav
Litodude (10:58:33 PM): being the devious little **** he is
Zanethra (10:58:38 PM): o_O
Litodude (10:58:43 PM): if he was a wolf
Litodude (10:58:46 PM): he would have killed me
Zanethra (10:58:54 PM): ok...
Litodude (10:58:55 PM): or him or the other mason
Litodude (10:59:05 PM): now i'm not really too sure about this tactic
Litodude (10:59:11 PM): maybe he'll save us for later to kill
Litodude (10:59:26 PM): in either case, i can't trust him still
Litodude (10:59:28 PM): fully



Also, jokim never came out as the morph himself, I did that for him. Are you trying to say that he's not the Morph??? Lmao.

He also said that you were a red. "When the Morph power is successfully used on a wolf, the Morh power will go away." THat's what the RULES IN THE OP states.

With this information, lito decided to do the strategy of trav, which he laughed at earlier (making it less likely he'd actually be doing this). This strategy was to pick a random person and have them be said as a wolve.

Those two sentences prove that you are a) stupid and b) bull****ting. If you read ANY part of trav's plan that I revealed, you would have seen that I was agreeing with that plan, and I thought that it would work. Second, That plan was NOT to pick a random person and say they're wolves (in the thread, I'm assuming you're trying to say). The plan was to talk to ALL the "newbs" and we would make a false seering, claiming that "lol we caught you you wolf."

In his post, he said that i was seer'd red and there was no counterclaim from jokim.

Again, if you read the thread AT ALL, jokim was the one who posted you were seered red. Not me. You're accusing me of actions that I have not done.

IBecause of the complete trust that lito had, he probably just told jokim to keep it quiet, and that it was just another one of his "tests". If jokim told anyone that he seer'd a mason, or said that lito was doing another one of his tests and he had to withhold information, lito would be dead for sure.

Now you're just feeding everyone bs that you've concluded from your previous bs statements.

Let's reemphasize this: jokim is the Morph. Jokim himself said juggling is a wolf.

[jugglinguy]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Way to completely misunderstand each and every little thing i said. I'll make a post when i'm not tired, maybe then i could see what you're trying to say, and how the hell you don't get my post at all when i'm awake.

[Xception704]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

I'm just going to shut up now because I have no clue what I'm talking about.

Lito, if you believe me to be a wolf, then vote me.

[Xception704]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

P.S. The whole scrutiny thing still applies.

Argument for Lito: He makes sense.

Counterargument: Juggling made sense as well. Lito seemed agitated in his response to Juggling.

[Litodude]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Oh crap.

Sam97379 (10:08:51 PM): heavy's dead
Litodude (10:09:01 PM): ohhhhhhhhhhhh
Sam97379 (10:09:01 PM): chris is the only one who hasn't voted

I totally forgot about that. Fcking Xception.

Now, if yo're wondering why I used your name in my previous post, cept, it's because I've been bothered by something and I couldn't quite figure it out. Trav knew all the Masons. I was for sure that I was going to get wolfed during the night. But no....he chose heavy, the other mason. Why is that? I was confused...

And on the latest night, jokim was wolved instead of me...I questioned that as well.

Now I figured it out. Wolves, I understand what you're trying to do. Apparently, you want to pick apart the people that I'm close to, in order to make me seem wolfish. The incorrect lynching for rzr really did make me seem wolfish. In fact, you were good enough to sway the newer players into voting for me, the same people I had saved from getting incorrectly lynched.

I'm sorry Xception, but you made your fatal mistake when you killed jokim.

Zanethra (7:26:39 PM): I was gonna say something and held it back
Zanethra (7:26:40 PM): xD
Zanethra (7:26:42 PM): Anyway
Zanethra (7:26:48 PM): here it is
Zanethra (7:27:05 PM): 1st, Heavy is a mason, right ?
Zanethra (7:27:58 PM): and 2nd, I need to know, Is that new player, hum.... Xception? a blue too ? I'm pretty "sure" "she" (not sure he/she) is not green due to the first conversation i had with "her"
Litodude (7:28:20 PM): i don't know anything about xception
Zanethra (7:28:25 PM): ok
Litodude (7:28:27 PM): and "no" s/he's not a blue
Zanethra (7:28:48 PM): "she" was kind of suspicious when i asked her "role"
Zanethra (7:28:55 PM): expecting the "I'm human" answer
Zanethra (7:29:12 PM): s/he actually said: "why would i tell you ?"
Zanethra (7:30:01 PM): but it's her/his first game, So i'm not saying this is a BIG thing.
Zanethra (7:31:22 PM): another thing would be her inactiveness on the thread, Trav (if he is a wolf, And if s/he is a wolf too) might have convinced her not to talk too much and let him "lead" things.
Zanethra (7:31:27 PM): anyway
Zanethra (7:31:38 PM): Speculations, Let's just see what happen for now
Litodude (7:31:52 PM): okay
Litodude (7:31:55 PM): 1. heavy is the mason
Litodude (7:32:00 PM): and 2. thanks for bringing this up
Litodude (7:32:09 PM): i will difinately procur information from her
Zanethra (7:33:02 PM): Yay, I can not "officially" trust Heavy and not rely on my "gut" feelings (which were crappy last game ROFL)
Zanethra (7:33:05 PM): now
Zanethra (7:33:05 PM): now
Zanethra (7:33:12 PM): not "not" but "now".
Litodude (7:33:20 PM): haha
Zanethra (7:33:42 PM): you already told the other masons about me i guess >.>
Litodude (7:35:00 PM): oh
Litodude (7:35:05 PM): my friend wanted me to tell you
Litodude (7:35:08 PM): almost forgot
Litodude (7:35:15 PM): If i die
Litodude (7:35:20 PM): a mason will come to you
Zanethra (7:37:02 PM): k
Zanethra (7:37:09 PM): but what if *I* die ? o_O
Zanethra (7:37:36 PM): I mean, You just won't know who the new morph will be, all you'll have is 3 names.
Zanethra (7:37:46 PM): anyway
Litodude (7:38:58 PM): oh
Litodude (7:38:58 PM): right
Litodude (7:39:07 PM): i want you to come out
Litodude (7:39:08 PM): at night
Litodude (7:39:13 PM): as the previous morph
Zanethra (7:39:20 PM): waiiit
Zanethra (7:39:29 PM): as the "night 1" morph ?
Litodude (7:39:29 PM): once you use your power
Litodude (7:39:33 PM): it will be given uo
Litodude (7:39:34 PM): NO
Litodude (7:39:34 PM): NO
Zanethra (7:39:36 PM): lol
Litodude (7:39:39 PM): as the night 2 morph
Zanethra (7:39:39 PM): ok
Litodude (7:39:43 PM): this upcoming night
Zanethra (7:39:46 PM): ok
Litodude (7:39:46 PM): once you use your power
Litodude (7:39:59 PM): i want you to post in the thread if you find a wolf
Litodude (7:40:06 PM): if you DON'T find a wolf
Litodude (7:40:13 PM): i want you to tell me or heavy
Litodude (7:40:17 PM): understood?
Zanethra (7:40:36 PM): just a question, You rather have me "seering" suspected players or get greens to "join" us ?
Zanethra (7:40:43 PM): Sure.
Zanethra (7:40:49 PM): I'll let you know
Zanethra (7:40:58 PM): but then
Zanethra (7:41:04 PM): coming out would get wolves on me, no ?
Litodude (7:42:14 PM): no
Litodude (7:42:18 PM): you're going to be human then

jokim told me that you were acting suspicious, and that rang through my head like a bell. He was right as well, trav did contact you and tell you to try and stay low until you guys could figure something out.

Another thing that struck me as I was reading back logs: you just suddenly come out of nowhere and give me this log between you and trav. I thought you were a cautious player? Why would you JUST suddenly give me this log between you two? Weird...coincidence? Not likely.

And I realized something else too, while I was making out tonight: travman is an experienced player. He wouldn't just up and tell a newb lies unless he had a serious way of covering it up. Usually, he would say something like, "Good job, welcome to jTWG, you passed the first test." But no, he made up some bull**** about sideroles, when there clearly isn't any, and any "new" player could even see that falseness in your claim.

I actually trusted you for a few hours Xception....

jungmour2009 (8:05:40 PM): You be mason, eh?
Litodude (8:06:01 PM): wait
Litodude (8:06:02 PM): who's this?
jungmour2009 (8:06:09 PM): Xception704
Litodude (8:06:12 PM): oh hi
Litodude (8:06:20 PM): yes i am
jungmour2009 (8:06:24 PM): read
Litodude (8:06:40 PM): lmao wow
jungmour2009 (8:06:45 PM): bbl
Litodude (8:06:46 PM): first thing i saw: jokim vs me
jungmour2009 (8:07:07 PM): don't tell him I sent it to you
jungmour2009 (8:07:10 PM): if somehow he stays alive
jungmour2009 (8:07:15 PM): I want to be able to keep getting info from him
Litodude (8:08:40 PM): no
Litodude (8:08:44 PM): you won't be able to
Litodude (8:08:47 PM): i'm sorry but i'm posting this okay?
Litodude (8:09:02 PM): i already have an idea on who the other 2 wolves are
Litodude (8:09:09 PM): i'm just not sure yet so i can't say
jungmour2009 (8:17:06 PM): lol
Litodude (8:30:56 PM): posted.
jungmour2009 (8:33:25 PM): sigh
jungmour2009 (8:33:28 PM): he's going to be pissed at me
Litodude (8:35:22 PM): so?
jungmour2009 (8:35:34 PM): lol
jungmour2009 (8:40:00 PM): have fun

trav really knew how to push my buttons. He knew I was on a roll, and any more information that could help in fighting my case of him being a wolf, I immediately gobbled up and spit back into his face.

Zanethra (8:40:19 PM): worst bull**** ever XD
Zanethra (8:40:30 PM): but yea, First timer might think that XD
Zanethra (8:47:31 PM): omg
Zanethra (8:47:36 PM): he's really bsing bad
Zanethra (8:47:37 PM): RBennie362 (9:59:12 PM): Is my power
RBennie362 (9:59:15 PM): for your vote
RBennie362 (9:59:24 PM): I can protect you from one wolfing in the game
RBennie362 (9:59:30 PM): I was going to use it on myself
Zanethra (8:47:47 PM): THERE IS NO GUARD
Zanethra (8:47:48 PM): omg XD
Zanethra (8:47:58 PM): that's insane, How did he think that could work ???

Alas, jokim, you're a better analysis than me. An even better player. I love you.

IN CONCLUSION, juggling and Xception are wolves. fido, dooey, please stop bandwagoning on the first long post you see, and truly think it out yourselves. sorry if I forced you.

Here is my prediction for tonight's wolfing (assuming I'm not dead): the wolves will choose someone else, most likely chris, to kill and leave me with my lonesome. Now, because this is totally suspicious, having me alive for 3 night in a row when I have all the information, this could support juggling's and xception's claim that I am a wolf. I just wanted to put that out there.

[Litodude]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Counterargument: Juggling made sense as well. Lito seemed agitated in his response to Juggling.

Can YOU correctly interpret what juggling was trying to say then? Maybe THEN I can understand what you guys are trying to plot against me.

[Litodude]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

Way to completely misunderstand each and every little thing i said. I'll make a post when i'm not tired, maybe then i could see what you're trying to say, and how the hell you don't get my post at all when i'm awake.

Okay what? You just created a run-on sentence explaining that you're half-awake when you made your post, and that you're awake now, when it's been less than an hour since you made your post. Plus, it's later in the night; shouldn't you be more tired?

I really don't think that I misunderstood anything that you said. The rhetoric questions I used often were to stress how unflatteringly idiotic anything you were trying to say was.

You also say, in 13 minutes, that you have no idea what I'm trying to say. Well, even I couldn't read all of what I wrote and comprehended it accurately in 13 minutes. It seems as if you spent 3 minutes reading what I wrote and 10 minutes writing a response to me and somehow formulating a defense on why you didn't make any sense.

[Litodude]

Re: jTWG XLI: shift_werewolfgame

By the way, protip: Xception, it's clear to see that you're trying to protect juggling now. I mean come on, read what you wrote in the past page.

It goes from, "yea i agree with what lito says, but i can't trust him fully kinda so ill vote for juggling still."

"oh look juggling posted something no one could understand, i better MAKE A COMPLETE U TURN AND AGREE WITH HIM ANYWAY."

I mean, that doesn't seem fishy at all.

Amateur moves.



Note: the italicized words are sarcastic.