Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

[Ssonik]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

Biggest pile of idiocy I have read in quite a while. Konami had every right to file the lawsuit, and it's common logic that they won. Not much of the fanbase is happy about it, since ITG was able to offer something that DDR could not. This wasn't a matter of one guy getting upset that another was more successful than he was.

but it wasnt agaisnt the law.Look your allowed to make a dance game but you cant copy DDR and ITG.lets say i made a dance game.lets call it fury of dance(lame name lol) now i want the health bar on top and put curves in it DDR is gonna sue me.I put it to the left.ITG sues me i put it on the bottom.....im safe.i make note skins ddr style...i get sued.Get my point.

[magister_negi_magi]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

but it wasnt agaisnt the law.Look your allowed to make a dance game but you cant copy DDR and ITG.lets say i made a dance game.lets call it fury of dance(lame name lol) now i want the health bar on top and put curves in it DDR is gonna sue me.I put it to the left.ITG sues me i put it on the bottom.....im safe.i make note skins ddr style...i get sued.Get my point.

I don't think placement of the dance gauge is going to get you sued as much as having the same pad layout and objective will.

[nestlekwik]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the lawsuit launched due to the fact that ITG was originally an upgrade box (known as a boxor) that was sold on the sole basis that it was installed into a DDR cabinet. Dedicated cabinets weren't available until ITG2 so basically Roxor was being sued on the account that they were using Konami cabinets to sell their product. Andamiro got busted doing the same thing and I can't fathom why Roxor thought they could get away with it.

It has nothing to do with "they're both dance games." That would be like saying no more games can have guns in them because x game does, you can't kill enemies by jumping on them because x game, you can't display scores onscreen because x game does.

I mean, come on, Data East can win a court case over CAPCOM through the Fighter's History vs. Street Fighter II fiasco. The games are so similar it's blatant and pretty much insulting. But because no trademarks were breached (basically names are changed and appearances differ slightly), it was ruled that Fighter's History could be sold.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

OMG this thing still going?

Ok this is how I see it: Nestlewik's last post is correct, but at the end of the lawsuit Konami received the rights to the 4 panal dance pad (now correct me if IM wrong but I think that's what happened) Yes, I think it's gay and, yes, the judge (or however) was stupid. I heard that Roxor was changing the pad layout on the screen to avoid this (sorta like this:
< ^ V >
Left up down right )

But when I said somehing to Synthlight about it he was like "WTF?" so I dunno about it.

I DO know that no more dancing game is gonna come out looking like DDR.

[Ssonik]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the lawsuit launched due to the fact that ITG was originally an upgrade box (known as a boxor) that was sold on the sole basis that it was installed into a DDR cabinet. Dedicated cabinets weren't available until ITG2 so basically Roxor was being sued on the account that they were using Konami cabinets to sell their product. Andamiro got busted doing the same thing and I can't fathom why Roxor thought they could get away with it.

It has nothing to do with "they're both dance games." That would be like saying no more games can have guns in them because x game does, you can't kill enemies by jumping on them because x game, you can't display scores onscreen because x game does.

I mean, come on, Data East can win a court case over CAPCOM through the Fighter's History vs. Street Fighter II fiasco. The games are so similar it's blatant and pretty much insulting. But because no trademarks were breached (basically names are changed and appearances differ slightly), it was ruled that Fighter's History could be sold.

yes,ITG1 had no dedicated cabnet and it was an upgrade then ITG2 had its own cabnet(i belive im spelling cabnet wrong)but it was a whole nother idea.And the pad lay outis the same as DDR but its original dace format(i hate that stupid pump it up and stuff like that)

[magister_negi_magi]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

(i belive im spelling cabnet wrong)

It was spelled in the post you quoted. You could have just looked.

but it was a whole nother idea

It's DDR, but harder, and with different songs. Pump it Up is a whole 'nother idea. In the Groove isn't.

[nestlekwik]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

Yes, in a round about way, ITG is DDR.

DDR -> Stepmania -> In the Groove. There is a reason why part of the KvR court settlement required Roxor to acknowledge all rights of Dance Dance Revolution.

[YungYung]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

A thirteen yearold with little to no knowledge about what goes on in the bemani community should not be arguing.

The fact that Roxor later on started making its own dedicabs does NOT change the fact that what they previously did violates copyright laws. They took Konami's cabinets, sold ITG kits, and basically told owners "Hey, take our product, and shove it into the cabinet that Konami spent millions of dollars to develop and build." What caused even more problems was that the first version of ITG came only with a banner, and no additional stickers. The other stickers that are on the original cabinets remained and caused confusion between DDR and ITG between some of the public (do not try and tell me that you didn't because you represent less than 0.000000000000000001% of the bemani community). Again, Konami's regular flow of profit suffered because of ITG's violations.

As for 'dance format', ITG uses the same system at Stepmania. If you look at the original version of Stepmania (because ver. 4.0 is imo trash rofl but that's a totally different story), it is designed to be an immitation. Left right up down arrows, freezes, speed mods, etc... Default skin is designed to immitate that of DDR. Even the modes like beginner/light/standard/heavy were reused, gfx for those were pretty much ripped right out of the game. Anyone who says this isn't an attempt to copy DDR (not that I think it's a bad thing) is in complete denial.

[Ssonik]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

yea isnt the ITG idea from SM cause in the ITG credits it says thanks to the stepmania team

[YungYung]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

Yes. Congrats on helping me disprove your point.

[zero1dude]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

1. I think there is in Pop n' music.
2. RoXoR just got owned by Konami (not really but they now own ITG). So no ITG2 console.
3. A fanmade ITG song.
4. A remix of Max, duh.

[Ssonik]

Re: Some questions.(About DDR and ITG)

Yes. Congrats on helping me disprove your point.

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