Hard songs- and easy songs

[Chromer]

I never said that the steps are the only thing that factors in the song. All I'm saying is that the stepfile is what distinguishes the song from anything else, not the bpm. The bpm may be a factor in the nature of the song, but like I said before, the steps make the song. Slow down Cartoon Heroes and the steps really would be piss easy. Bpm is the only factor that is keeping people from AAA songs like this. So what I'm trying to say is that the steps are more important than the actual bpm.

[Tsuteto]

Steps are in a way important, yes. But even then, it also depends on a player's ability. Some people have troubles reading fast BPMs, but if Max 300 was slower, then they could pass it no prob. Some people don't like how some crossovers are dealt though, but can still pass songs like LoM.

All in all, when people say what a song is like, they're just really saying what it feels like to them. Konami has it well planned out, making it a good OVERALL statistic rather than how THEY think it is.

[Chromer]

Exactly.

[GregHead]

LOM is 400...? I thought itwas around 350, because if you measure the 1/8 notes in a song like Paranoia Eternal, it equals 400 (200 bpm x twice as fast). Well, i'm not sure.

It is 333. When you player 1/8 notes, it's 666 arrows per minute. It was going to be 400 BPM but, uh... hard. They'll probably realease the new version many years from now after people who play DDR (not In The Groove) have some sort of hope against it.

[GregHead]

Steps are in a way important, yes. But even then, it also depends on a player's ability. Some people have troubles reading fast BPMs, but if Max 300 was slower, then they could pass it no prob. Some people don't like how some crossovers are dealt though, but can still pass songs like LoM.

Some people are the opposite, which is why some people (not me!) have trouble against Sakura at the 150 BPM part. I usually play 1X on most songs to prepare myself for as much as I can.

I think Max 300 is draining enough to qualify as a 10.

I think Sakura on both play modes should be a 9, but... I guess there are reasons for it to be a 10 (BPM changes?)

Without mods, Bag's a good 10. It's pretty easy to pass but I do really sloppy at it (ie C grade)

[GregHead]

All right here's a story form the arcade a while ago:

Double Play
1st Stage: So Deep Heavy (9 footer) --> B
2nd Stage: AM-3P East Side Mix Challenge (7 Footer) --> failed in 20 seconds

Sure, I guess you could argue So Deep is more oriented towards Single Players (ie less moving around, more stream) while AM-3P is made for experience Double players (ie more moving around, less stream), but still. Annoying...

[GregHead]

I never said that the steps are the only thing that factors in the song. All I'm saying is that the stepfile is what distinguishes the song from anything else, not the bpm. The bpm may be a factor in the nature of the song, but like I said before, the steps make the song. Slow down Cartoon Heroes and the steps really would be piss easy. Bpm is the only factor that is keeping people from AAA songs like this. So what I'm trying to say is that the steps are more important than the actual bpm.

Not that easy, it's got gallops, quater beats, maybe not any crossovers, but I can't think of many songs that would still be hard if you took their BPM to an ideal amount. Well, Bag maybe...

[Tsuteto]

Um... what's with the quad post?

And yeah, I can't really think of any other songs that deserve to be changed.

[debit13]

Well... what about frozen ray?

Maybe an 8...? The streams are short, except for the end, and even the ending streams aren't that hard.

i feel... should be an 8 cause there isn't a lot of parts where you have to move quickly... the beat is chaotic, but other than that, that's probably why it's hard.

What's that other song... oh yeah... I REALLY don't like "I'm for real", i can't understand that beat in the beginning. May qualify as an 8 to me, but once i can understand the beat, I'd disagree with my own statement.