Something I think would be awesome to add to our FFR

[Fractal_Monkey]

Re: Something I think would be awesome to add to our FFR

You're a subscriber, so you can look at the Beta level reader for a full breakdown of your scores. A regular user would have to look at their score on the level rank list, click the song link to find out the AAA score, and see if they're within 2475 of it (9 goods).

I think the main issue with the amateur tier system was that it was being called a tier system, and people somehow equated "tier system" with "only the best players". That, and the best players weren't being considered for it, as they had their own established system. Making it a level-based feature might help that. Say, Level 1 is "Newbie", and requires no points at all, and Level 50 is "FFR God", requiring a maximum score. 50 is just an arbitrary number I'm using, because it sounds like a nice round number.

[Beethovens mask]

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Fcing every song in a certain diffculty is not an easy task. It would be pretty hard to get your level up. I think the current system is well built. But good idea none the less.

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You're a subscriber, so you can look at the Beta level reader for a full breakdown of your scores. A regular user would have to look at their score on the level rank list, click the song link to find out the AAA score, and see if they're within 2475 of it (9 goods).

Yeah your right about that but i look at my level rank stats and i cant tell right off the bat that its an SDG or not. boos averages and anything messes up things. what if i got a score of an SDG but there was an average in there. thats one arrow i know i could do better on and get a good on. what about those that are not a sub. my sub is about to run out anyway's and i cant just keep buying years. its just a somthing we could make work with this idea. make things easier for people who dont know about most things.

I like the idea of a level all together. i think thats a good way to show people they are getting better or place them somewhere in a difficulty. if it was a rank and im rank 100 does that mean that i can AAA guru? when a level 50 would be able to.

if the pros want to keep there tier system then let them. why not make a noob one? it does not hurt anyone.

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i think it's ok as it is. i find that AAA and FC bars are enough. if you get enough SDG on songs it will show in your average rank. i can see what Difficulty levels i have left to AAA/FC using beta level reader although not every one has that.

you could have a tier system for every song in ffr tho kind of what they do for current TP
AAA for a bginner song like Power gets you 1 pt
AAA a D4 you get 4 pts BF gets 3pts plain FC gets 2 pts
AAA a D12 you get 12 pts BF gets 10 pts 20G gets 8 pts FC gets 6 pts etc

something like that although you could make the points more fair

EDIT; this might have been covered in the amateur Tier system that was mentioned but it could be used for all players as the harder songs you AAA/FC the more points you get

[Xx{Midday}xX]

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im not sure if my idea got washed or wasnt seen or w/e but. was it tl;dr'd?

Note: My layout of numbers makes most people fall in the Pro/Master range. Rookie level is easily graduated by getting some simple AAAs and decent FCs, while it's extremely hard to go above Master because your average levelrank/AAA count doesnt rise much anymore. I keep it so that all AAAs have equal value so that it becomes easier for Rookies to graduate their status and harder for Masters to graduate theirs. Masters need to either play a lot to raise their Overall (which is hard after 200ish), or get tier points. The idea of my layout was to have an accurate way of representing each player by his/her stats, yet keep a balanced way so that people don't complain that the requirements are too hard.

The problem with BF -> AAA raising so much levelrank is solved in two ways:
As I said before, it's made easier so a AAA on an easy song let's Rookies graduate their stats faster.
The points given out for average levelrank can be ranged/biased towards one direction. Besides, my current one says that any average levelrank above 500 is worth 0. Note, this is AVERAGE levelrank. Not each individual.

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i did read through your idea Midday and its good but i'm still not keen on having every track having the same value. i'd rather have tier points for every track where each difficulty has a different number of points available. it'd also better represent players who have great scores on harder songs but haven't played through every track. then bonus points you suggested such as skill tokens, overall/ av. rank, actual TPs and getting the top level ranks could be added for a grand total for each player

encouraging new players is good which is why graduation from rookie should be quite early but i think this should be a fair representation of every player and their skill. besides it might also get more new players try harder to fc the more challenging songs and get better

[Xx{Midday}xX]

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Oh I see. But as you know, the tier point system for us Tier players is already EXTREMELY HEAVY. The problem with your idea is that such a system will overload the database. This is the reason why staff doesn't allow people to view other people's tier points. A tier list for triple/quadruple the songs in the current list? Too heavy.

I tried to work around that by not creating an all new function, but just using a preexisting one.

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oh sorry. i didn't know that. well is there's anyway it can be less database heavy but same principle or is it just a dead idea? i'd guess i'd go with yours if you're certain it'll work

[EnR]

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The whole point of having tier points IS to be used by a small amount of people. I don't see a version of tiers thats more for noob players being added.

Btw wwwJ4mmYcouk, you can just go to your lvl ranks, and look for the ones that don't have a * beside it, those are the ones you need to FC.. And for AAA's....everything that isen't rank one needs to be AAA'd. Not that difficult to figure out.

[Beethovens mask]

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If we do implement an amateur tier system how can we make it evolve with the players skill, how do you draw a line between when you move from amateur tier to the real tier?

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if making a new tier system is out of the question then lets move back to the forums purpose. i made this forum because i thought a single player level would show people how good they are rather then a multiplayer level. there are alot of things screwed up in this site and all we have to do is pitch in and help it. if there are players that dont like the idea of a smaller noobish tier system then they dont need to participate. it does not need to be a huge thing it just needs to include everyone. a level based system will do exactly that. it will range people from the smallest to the greatest.


so are we staying with a level based system or will we start a noobish tier system?

[Beethovens mask]

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if making a new tier system is out of the question then lets move back to the forums purpose. i made this forum because i thought a single player level would show people how good they are rather then a multiplayer level. there are alot of things screwed up in this site and all we have to do is pitch in and help it. if there are players that dont like the idea of a smaller noobish tier system then they dont need to participate. it does not need to be a huge thing it just needs to include everyone. a level based system will do exactly that. it will range people from the smallest to the greatest.


so are we staying with a level based system or will we start a noobish tier system?

level based system > noob tier

[Tasselfoot]

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there was a jTP system done... a while back. it pretty much failed. don't really recall the specifics....

but, really, it's just really difficult to get any 1 concrete system that will make everyone happy in terms of rankings. we currently have 1 just for playing and 2 that are for skill. is that not enough?

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but, really, it's just really difficult to get any 1 concrete system that will make everyone happy in terms of rankings. we currently have 1 just for playing and 2 that are for skill. is that not enough?

Maybe instead of adding a whole other system you can add it to another. Overall Rank is good where it is. Average rank is not because how many people make new accounts and play other songs? if i wanted to i could go make 100 accounts and AAA any song so that rank is higher if you get BF or less. the Tier system is to advanced. how many people can really get on the list. i remember i did not get a tier point till i have been on ffr for half a year. then i only maxed around 5 points. thats even on the old easier system and now its harder?

you could even add a few things to the level rank stats. that AAA/FC bar can decide off the bat what level you could be. you can have two separate levels even. one level deciding if you have AAA'ed all of one difficulty. that would be easy for every time you add a new song to the list. this is partly your site im sure you could find a way for you to give someone the ability to do it themselfs. just for that part nothing else. the same was as you have a MP MOD. i personally dont think i could handle somthing like that because im out doing things but i know a million members on this thing there must be one that can.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

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Hence, I came up with an idea that combines all elements of the current ranking system on FFR into one giant ranking system.

As long as we weight the amount of points given on the basis of a AAA or tier point or w/e, it can turn out to be a fair ranking system. The weighting could be judged/determined by the knowledgable and experienced staff members.

Moreover, there is no need to acknowledge "skill" in AAAing newb songs. which is why only tier points are awarded to high level songs only. The point I'm making here is, that newbs dont need to be judged necessarily by AAA count. My proposed ranking system has the benefit of giving ranks to newbs via the easier ways of accomplishing something (easy AAAs, FCs, overall rank, etc.). By the time they graduate Rookie, they probably will have the potential to move on towards harder AAAs and Tier Points.

Of course, I don't really care, because I'm judged by the Tier Points System as is now, as Tass stated. I don't have the necessity of being judged by any thing other than intensive AAA count and Tier Points. Also, when I sucked, I didn't care about ranks.