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  • #676
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    bballa48
    • Jan 2007
    • 1496

    Re: FFR Suggestions

    Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
    FFR's timing isnt easy enough, I think it needs to be easier that way more people are able to get the St Scarhand token.
    Agreed. Then more people would be happy.

    Heck, let's just eliminate all songs challenging and above so everyone is great at this game. Then we can all get all the tokens and everyone will feel super good about themselves.

    .....


    Edit: And for those who want to call me an elitist, sorry, that's not the case. I worked hard for 4 years to get where I am, and a lot of people are still way better than me. I see that as a challenge, not a hindrance. I didn't whine and moan about hard tokens that I couldn't get a long time ago. I played more and got better. If the player isn't willing to play enough to get better, then they shouldn't get the token. If they don't have the talent, same thing: tough luck.

    If Here we Go gets harder to get, fine, it gets harder to get. People will have to just get better.
    Last edited by bballa48; 04-5-2011, 06:59 PM.
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    • #677
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      xBBx Takedown
      • Sep 2007
      • 2627

      Re: FFR Suggestions

      Originally posted by bballa48
      Agreed. Then more people would be happy.

      Heck, let's just eliminate all songs challenging and above so everyone is great at this game. Then we can all get all the tokens and everyone will feel super good about themselves.

      .....


      Edit: And for those who want to call me an elitist, sorry, that's not the case. I worked hard for 4 years to get where I am, and a lot of people are still way better than me. I see that as a challenge, not a hindrance. I didn't whine and moan about hard tokens that I couldn't get a long time ago. I played more and got better. If the player isn't willing to play enough to get better, then they shouldn't get the token. If they don't have the talent, same thing: tough luck.

      If Here we Go gets harder to get, fine, it gets harder to get. People will have to just get better.
      Referring to the EDIT part here: Alrighty maybe just maybe did you ever think that they just wanted to get the token out of the way and were going to improve the score later? Obviously not because right now you are comparing yourself to the people not skilled at the game. When they know they get that token, they feel good about themselves. But wait I forgot this site is based on elitist opinions. No one cares about what the lower class has to say.
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      • #678
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        bballa48
        • Jan 2007
        • 1496

        Re: FFR Suggestions

        Originally posted by xBBx Takedown
        Referring to the EDIT part here: Alrighty maybe just maybe did you ever think that they just wanted to get the token out of the way and were going to improve the score later? Obviously not because right now you are comparing yourself to the people not skilled at the game. When they know they get that token, they feel good about themselves. But wait I forgot this site is based on elitist opinions. No one cares about what the lower class has to say.
        And they won't feel good about themselves when they AAA their first 9? Or get other tokens?

        I can tell you, I wasn't losing sleep over not being even close to being able to get Oni when it first came out, and I sure wasn't on the boards complaining that the requirement was too hard. There are plenty of things to do/goals to accomplish outside of a very challenging token.
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        • #679
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          xBBx Takedown
          • Sep 2007
          • 2627

          Re: FFR Suggestions

          Originally posted by bballa48
          And they won't feel good about themselves when they AAA their first 9? Or get other tokens?

          I can tell you, I wasn't losing sleep over not being even close to being able to get Oni when it first came out, and I sure wasn't on the boards complaining that the requirement was too hard. There are plenty of things to do/goals to accomplish outside of a very challenging token.
          I think they will focus on 99% FCs first and when I got my first 9, I was like ehh okay. AAA'ing a 9 isn't really nothing. It's right in middle of a 8 and 10. Just know the speeds of those difficulties and you should be able to AAA a 9 like Famouz or Seven.
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          • #680
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            bballa48
            • Jan 2007
            • 1496

            Re: FFR Suggestions

            Originally posted by xBBx Takedown
            I think they will focus on 99% FCs first and when I got my first 9, I was like ehh okay. AAA'ing a 9 isn't really nothing. It's right in middle of a 8 and 10. Just know the speeds of those difficulties and you should be able to AAA a 9 like Famouz or Seven.
            This pretty much sums it up I think.

            I think we can all agree new players should not be "taught" that a mashed FC is something to strive for. A new scoring system would help ingrain it into the FFR community that the way to get better is practicing hitting the patterns, not just mindlessly mashing threw them.
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            • #681
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              xBBx Takedown
              • Sep 2007
              • 2627

              Re: FFR Suggestions

              Originally posted by bballa48
              This pretty much sums it up I think.

              I think we can all agree new players should not be "taught" that a mashed FC is something to strive for. A new scoring system would help ingrain it into the FFR community that the way to get better is practicing hitting the patterns, not just mindlessly mashing threw them.
              Actually mashing sorta helps you read patterns better. I mash RATO and DP for a first song of the day then my PA pretty much is good after that.
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              • #682
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                bballa48
                • Jan 2007
                • 1496

                Re: FFR Suggestions

                Originally posted by xBBx Takedown
                Actually mashing sorta helps you read patterns better. I mash RATO and DP for a first song of the day then my PA pretty much is good after that.
                Dude, that is called warming up. There is no way mindlessing smashing the keys makes your PA better.

                And even if it did-- no one is stopping you from doing that. We aren't trying to enforce an anti mashing law.

                Simple question. Which score is better.

                1336-0-0-1-0 on EHHS missing at 600,

                or 1000-300-37-0-100?

                FFR says the second score is better. I don't really see why this is even a debate.
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                • #683
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                  xBBx Takedown
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 2627

                  Re: FFR Suggestions

                  Originally posted by bballa48
                  Dude, that is called warming up. There is no way mindlessing smashing the keys makes your PA better.

                  And even if it did-- no one is stopping you from doing that. We aren't trying to enforce an anti mashing law.

                  Simple question. Which score is better.

                  1336-0-0-1-0 on EHHS missing at 600,

                  or 1000-300-37-0-100?

                  FFR says the second score is better. I don't really see why this is even a debate.
                  Combo is higher. That's all. But honestly, PA basing and combo basing both of the downsides like no tomorrow. So idc what goes down.
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                  • #684
                    The FFRchiver
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                    foxfire667
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 2183

                    Re: FFR Suggestions

                    Originally posted by xBBx Takedown
                    But honestly, PA basing and combo basing both of the downsides like no tomorrow.
                    What are the serious downsides to a PA scoring system, especially compared to the system we have currently? I kind of want to hear what they are considering you keep bringing it up...
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                    • #685
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                      xBBx Takedown
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2627

                      Re: FFR Suggestions

                      Originally posted by foxfire667
                      What are the serious downsides to a PA scoring system, especially compared to the system we have currently? I kind of want to hear what they are considering you keep bringing it up...
                      One downside is everyone who is good at the game will get a higher rank then a FC. A FC matters the most tbh.
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                      • #686
                        snooches
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                        Plan_Bsk81127
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 6420

                        Re: FFR Suggestions

                        All i gotta say to that response is just lol

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                        • #687
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                          xBBx Takedown
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2627

                          Re: FFR Suggestions

                          Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
                          All i gotta say to that response is just lol
                          A FC does lower your average rank lol.
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                          • #688
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                            bballa48
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 1496

                            Re: FFR Suggestions

                            Originally posted by xBBx Takedown
                            One downside is everyone who is good at the game will get a higher rank then a FC. A FC matters the most tbh.
                            In what way does an FC matter most, other than because it is essential under the CURRENT scoring system?
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                            • #689
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                              xBBx Takedown
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 2627

                              Re: FFR Suggestions

                              Originally posted by bballa48
                              In what way does an FC matter most, other than because it is essential under the CURRENT scoring system?
                              Lowers your average rank. Anyways!
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                              • #690
                                stepmania archaeologist
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                                qqwref
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 4096

                                Re: FFR Suggestions

                                Seems simple enough to me, PA takes lots more skill than mashing does, so the game is more interesting if we prefer messy scores with good PA to messy scores with low misscount.
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