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  • #661
    aka Haku
    Hakulyte
    • Jul 2005
    • 4750

    Re: FFR Suggestions

    So, after one second of thinking I concluded that I was wrong and you guys were right. /gg

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    • #662
      FFR Veteran
      emulord
      • Sep 2006
      • 778

      Re: FFR Suggestions

      Ok, I agree that combo shouldn't matter in multiplayer because its a singular play, but when its your best score v. someone elses best score, 0 misses is a pretty good indicator of skill. After a FC, PA matters. Whats wrong with this hierarchy?

      Combo should also matter for score.
      Someone who can get combo 60 on a song is clearly worse than someone who can get a combo of hundreds, even if their PA/ number of misses is comparable.

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      • #663
        Flag Master
        ~Zeta~
        • Oct 2010
        • 2165

        Re: FFR Suggestions

        So, misses subtracting from your score doesn't do this enough?

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        • #664
          Fractals!
          igotrhythm
          • Sep 2004
          • 6590

          Re: FFR Suggestions

          The main problem I see with the new scoring system is fairly obvious once a little thought experiment is run. Ready?

          Semi-decent player plays Pants. Does well up to the long-ass JS, gets wrecked, but mashes to the ending and its mindless 123423 8ths to get some semblance of a combo back. Under the old system, players are rewarded 1000 points for each step in their longest combo.

          Under the new system, however, players receive 1000 points for EVERY ARROW THEY HIT. Long story short, non-FC scores on songs like Crowdpleaser are going to shoot through the roof. I personally can't tell whether this is a good or a bad thing, but it will make Happy Rainbow (the sub-1K avrank achievement token) an even bigger bitch to unlock.
          Last edited by igotrhythm; 04-5-2011, 06:11 PM.
          Originally posted by thesunfan
          I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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          • #665
            Flag Master
            ~Zeta~
            • Oct 2010
            • 2165

            Re: FFR Suggestions

            Isn't that how it is now? Mashing for FC's ruining ranks for missing.

            EDIT: All in all, it goes back to who has the better skill. The average rank token is getting harder every day. There's no stop to that one.

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            • #666
              snooches
              FFR Simfile Author
              Plan_Bsk81127
              • Aug 2007
              • 6420

              Re: FFR Suggestions

              So someone just constantly pressing all 4 keys at one time to assure they get all the notes has skill? Ok that makes sense....

              For this whole situation, combo just need to be worth A LOT less so that it isnt solely focused on combo. Otherwise we will just keep getting dumbasses like emu who suck so bad at the game that they just keep smashing all the keys to assure they get all the arrows because thats what they consider to be skill.

              Hell look what happen when the gamma songs came out, look how many people went straight to mashing the whole song just to get the FC and hold a the best rank just for them to find out that those ranks werent going to stay. Seriously though, people dont even try anymore when they see a hard song, they just smash right through it because they are more worried about a silly rank rather than trying to improve and being able to actually do the song. No wonder FFR players always complain they are no good, when you take this path you're not going to go anywhere.

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              • #667
                FFR Veteran
                bballa48
                • Jan 2007
                • 1496

                Re: FFR Suggestions

                Originally posted by iironiic
                The game lost it's fun factor with too much competition. Wish this could be remedied with a suggestion.
                I would argue the opposite. Tournaments have basically stopped, and skill tokens are rare appearances. There is no competition anymore.
                "Running is a mental sport...and we're all insane!"
                Learn to run when feeling the pain: then push harder.

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                • #668
                  Fractals!
                  igotrhythm
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 6590

                  Re: FFR Suggestions

                  ~Zeta~: Actually, I found that the recent rebirth of SotW was what catapulted me over the line into sub-1000 land because when a new song is released, everyone has a score of 0 on it, and thus everyone is considered rank 1.

                  But yes, in theory all songs will eventually have over 1000 AAAs, meaning that unlocking the token will be a matter of nailing a sufficient number of them.

                  As for you, Plan: Just because you're good at the game now doesn't mean the game shouldn't offer appropriate challenges for players of all skill levels. You were a newbie once, too. To hear you talk, one would think that we should just make the learning curve for new players impossible to ascend, or institute an unlock system that only grants access to harder songs after the less difficult files have been sufficiently wrecked on a certain account.

                  Some players find hard songs fun to play, even if they can't do so well on them. Maybe they like the song, or perhaps they find the parts that they can hit enjoyable. Either way, it motivates them to get better. And in a community as results-oriented as this one, we really shouldn't care about the path one chooses to take towards their own self-improvement, as long as we're there to lend a choice piece of advice ("gtfo" or any variant thereof does not qualify) or a sympathetic ear when things get tough.
                  Originally posted by thesunfan
                  I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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                  • #669
                    FFR Veteran
                    bballa48
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1496

                    Re: FFR Suggestions

                    I don't get the argument for keeping the combo based system.

                    We should keep it because noobs enjoy mashing? Huh?

                    They can mash all they want... there is no rule against it. But should they be rewarded with a good score? Hell no. That makes no sense. If that is how the want to improve, so be it. But get the crappy mashed scores off the top scores list-- they don't belong.
                    "Running is a mental sport...and we're all insane!"
                    Learn to run when feeling the pain: then push harder.

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                    • #670
                      FFR Veteran
                      xBBx Takedown
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2627

                      Re: FFR Suggestions

                      PA rankings are eh and so are combo basing. Both have downsides. Case closed.
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                      • #671
                        Flag Master
                        ~Zeta~
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 2165

                        Re: FFR Suggestions

                        Nice argument. I loved your bullet points.

                        PA base definitely outweighs combo.

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                        • #672
                          FFR Veteran
                          emulord
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 778

                          Re: FFR Suggestions

                          Guys, im not bad. I've AAA'd 3 Very Challengings.
                          The point was that it was fun to mash those songs when I wasn't good enough to play them for real. Mashing less was still a goal, it was just a clear way to improve my scores.

                          The main problem with boosting nonFC scores is that getting a good nonFC will ruin your Here we go chances until you can sup yourself.

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                          • #673
                            FFR Veteran
                            bballa48
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 1496

                            Re: FFR Suggestions

                            Originally posted by emulord
                            Guys, im not bad. I've AAA'd 3 Very Challengings.
                            The point was that it was fun to mash those songs when I wasn't good enough to play them for real. Mashing less was still a goal, it was just a clear way to improve my scores.

                            The main problem with boosting nonFC scores is that getting a good nonFC will ruin your Here we go chances until you can sup yourself.
                            I don't think we should avoid making an improvement in the scoring system because of a token. It's a freakin token.
                            "Running is a mental sport...and we're all insane!"
                            Learn to run when feeling the pain: then push harder.

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                            • #674
                              FFR Veteran
                              xBBx Takedown
                              • Sep 2007
                              • 2627

                              Re: FFR Suggestions

                              Originally posted by bballa48
                              I don't think we should avoid making an improvement in the scoring system because of a token. It's a freakin token.
                              Token that people obviously worked hard for mashed or not mashed score. It's still an accomplishment to them. Just because the pros want PA scoring system does not mean it's going to go that way. Need to think about the other players too.
                              Dragons Fury: Custom Tournament #5-1st Place(D3B)
                              Best FMO Score-Battle Theme #37(8.0.0.1)
                              Best AAA-Sword Strike
                              Best BF-Be Princess and Mute City Remix

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                              • #675
                                snooches
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                Plan_Bsk81127
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 6420

                                Re: FFR Suggestions

                                FFR's timing isnt easy enough, I think it needs to be easier that way more people are able to get the St Scarhand token.

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