FFR Suggestions

[Niala]

Re: FFR Suggestions

okay do that then.
oh right except this conversation has been had 120391209 times and nobody's done anything.
p.s. okay so i may have gone overboard with the exponential but I didn't necessarily mean for the numbers to be that fixed. There's other solutions similar to this in principle although using a different forumla that might also work: boo caps (i.e. more than x boos gives you score of 0) or idfk but it's really dumb that somebody who gets 100-50-0-180 on la campanella beats somebody who gets like 25-0-1-8 'cause they missed in the trill.

p.p.s. that boo cap idea is also really dumb but you get the point

[Zageron]

Re: FFR Suggestions

The scoring system is up for review on BW. Old engine scoring systems will remain the same.

[Niala]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Ok i'm fine with that thanks.

wait does that mean, assuming the scoring system changes, that blackwebb will have a different set of ranks than the legacy/velocity engines have currently?

[Zageron]

Re: FFR Suggestions

That's the plan.

[Niala]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Follow-up question: in that case, would players have to redo their ranks or would the scores they currently have be moved over as a starting place for each player? I can tell you now that a lot of people will be pissed if they get told they have to re-AAA even 200+ files. I'd even go so far as to say there would be people that wouldn't switch engines.

[Latias]

Re: FFR Suggestions

BlackWebb will not be in contact with Legacy/Velocity except for new song releases pretty much, even then old songs won't be appearing in the new engine unless they get transfered over, along with the engines getting songs ment for the different engine. The only other thing would be credits, but if the system changes for BW, the Legacy/Velocity engines will also recieve the change.

~Velocity/Pokémon Masta

[Niala]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Interesting. Okay, I think that'll do for tonight, then. Thanks for answering the questions.

[qqwref]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Every time you two post about BlackWebb, it sounds like a stupider and stupider idea.

[Zageron]

Re: FFR Suggestions

Every time you two post about BlackWebb, it sounds like a stupider and stupider idea.

The idea progresses and develops the more we work on it. If the community doesn't like what we have to offer, we will adapt it to their liking.

The one thing that is certain is that the scores and level ranks will be separate from R1, because the scoring system will not be combo based.

[qqwref]

Re: FFR Suggestions

I've put forward the idea, multiple times, about how to turn the current scoring system into a non-combo-based system without changing the values of FC scores, the amount of grandtotal that is typically possible to get in a given time, and the difficulty of a near-AAA - and without disadvantaging any active and skilled players. Are you telling me you honestly think completely starting from scratch with charts and scoreboards is a better way to get rid of combo scoring than that?

[Zageron]

Re: FFR Suggestions

We'll have this argument in a few weeks.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: FFR Suggestions

scoring system for FFR is fine, it's not broken - it's served its purpose for a long time and doesn't need to be changed simply because people are whining about not being able to FC songs and losing ranks because of it

let BlackWebb come out because there's an insane amount of things planned for it, and if you see something you don't like there, then respond there, as it's likely that updates for the Velocity engine won't continue too far past Blackwebb's release

[Niala]

Re: FFR Suggestions

That's basically where I am after tonight. If BW sucks though then I'll probably just leave the site l0l

[Latias]

Re: FFR Suggestions

I've put forward the idea, multiple times, about how to turn the current scoring system into a non-combo-based system without changing the values of FC scores, the amount of grandtotal that is typically possible to get in a given time, and the difficulty of a near-AAA - and without disadvantaging any active and skilled players. Are you telling me you honestly think completely starting from scratch with charts and scoreboards is a better way to get rid of combo scoring than that?

The problem is old songs won't even work with the new engine. The formats are completely different along with what is supported within them. It's because of this were doing a different scoring system along with the new engine since it's not possible to even intermingle them. Everything about BW isn't going to be 100% frame locked like the current engine, though the hit areas will be as close as possible, it's just AS3 supports so much more options then the old engines could ever support.

scoring system for FFR is fine, it's not broken - it's served its purpose for a long time and doesn't need to be changed simply because people are whining about not being able to FC songs and losing ranks because of it

let BlackWebb come out because there's an insane amount of things planned for it, and if you see something you don't like there, then respond there, as it's likely that updates for the Velocity engine won't continue too far past Blackwebb's release

The current plan for older engines is 1-2 more updates, then after that will be bug fixes every so often is required.

[qqwref]

Re: FFR Suggestions

The problem is old songs won't even work with the new engine. The formats are completely different along with what is supported within them. Everything about BW isn't going to be 100% frame locked like the current engine, though the hit areas will be as close as possible, it's just AS3 supports so much more options then the old engines could ever support.

I have a bunch of files that I think could help with this - both converting old charts to mp3/xml, and increasing the time accuracy of existing swf type charts. And if you could remove frame-locked play while changing the current gameplay as little as possible (in terms of how hard it is to AAA etc.) you could have very similar play between BW and the existing engines.


But yeah, like Niala is saying, if everything moves over to the new engine and I don't like it, I can always stop playing the game itself. I haven't been playing that much lately anyway