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  • MrMagic5239
    FFR Veteran
    • Feb 2007
    • 4096

    #16
    Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

    Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
    Could always just switch the scoring from total score to the raw score.
    That's actually not a bad idea lol
    ~Grand Chase Stats~
    Elesis (Knight/Spearman/Sword Master/ Savior) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 1
    Lire (Archer/Crossbowmen/Arch Ranger/Nova) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Arme (Mage/Alchemist/Warlock/Battle Mage) Lvl 80/80 MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Ronan (Spell Knight/Dragon Knight/Aegis Knight/Abyss Knight) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Lass (Thief/Assassin/Dark Assassin/Striper) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4, EXP Rank 1
    Ryan (Druid/Sentinel/Viken/Xenocider) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Amy (Dancer/Musician/Siren/Superstar) Lvl 78/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 13
    Sieghart (Gladiator/Warlord/Duelist/Prime Knight) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Jin (Fighter/Shisa/Asura/Rama) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 1
    Zero (Seeker/Wanderer) Lvl 79/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 9
    Dio (Stygian/Drakar//Leviathan) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Rin (Caller) Lvl 77/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 32
    Rufus (Bounty Hunter/Killer/Ravager/Arbiter) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
    Ley (Summoner/Harbringer) lvl 79/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 21
    Asin (Desciple) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 (Eastern Rain Liquid Jade aquired)

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    • Zageron
      Zageron E. Tazaterra
      FFR Administrator
      • Apr 2007
      • 6592

      #17
      Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

      Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
      Could always just switch the scoring from total score to the raw score.
      Combo should be worth something though.

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      • MrRubix
        FFR Player
        • Sep 2026
        • 8340

        #18
        Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

        A proper scoring metric needs to take into account all functions of skill:

        -Endurance (length of song)
        -Combo
        -Overall accuracy
        -Difficulty of patterns
        -Speed of patterns
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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        • rushyrulz
          Digital Dancing!
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Music Producer
          • Feb 2006
          • 12985

          #19
          Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

          Originally posted by Plan_Bsk81127
          Could always just switch the scoring from total score to the raw score.
          That completely discounts combo. It sounds like a good idea for elite players who play dominantly on PA, but it's a huuuuge disadvantage to those with Vista/Win7 who aren't allowed to have good PA by their OS.


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          • Plan_Bsk81127
            snooches
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2007
            • 6420

            #20
            Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

            Originally posted by rushyrulz
            That completely discounts combo. It sounds like a good idea for elite players who play dominantly on PA, but it's a huuuuge disadvantage to those with Vista/Win7 who aren't allowed to have good PA by their OS.
            Um.....Im on Windows 7, whats are you trying to say? And I played on Vista as well for the longest time and got my first two FMO's with it.

            Yes being straight raw score isnt the way to go, but including combo in it to where it is dramatically taking over the score should be how it works.

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            • MrRubix
              FFR Player
              • Sep 2026
              • 8340

              #21
              Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

              Hello guys I already solved the problem for yall
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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              • rushyrulz
                Digital Dancing!
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Feb 2006
                • 12985

                #22
                Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                @Plan_B Really? Because I can't get under 30 goods on 9s with my vista/win7, but I've AAAd over 45 10s with my XP.

                You must have special computers (or like 3 million TB of RAM)

                Originally posted by MrRubix
                A proper scoring metric needs to take into account all functions of skill:

                -Endurance (length of song)
                -Combo
                -Overall accuracy
                -Difficulty of patterns
                -Speed of patterns

                This.


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                • wargasm1
                  Cowbelling FFR
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 1289

                  #23
                  Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                  How about just take raw score and make misses remove 3 times more points than they do now.

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                  • MrMagic5239
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 4096

                    #24
                    Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                    You would have make boos decrease more as well, considering, that would just encourage more mashing I'd think.
                    ~Grand Chase Stats~
                    Elesis (Knight/Spearman/Sword Master/ Savior) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 1
                    Lire (Archer/Crossbowmen/Arch Ranger/Nova) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Arme (Mage/Alchemist/Warlock/Battle Mage) Lvl 80/80 MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Ronan (Spell Knight/Dragon Knight/Aegis Knight/Abyss Knight) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Lass (Thief/Assassin/Dark Assassin/Striper) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4, EXP Rank 1
                    Ryan (Druid/Sentinel/Viken/Xenocider) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Amy (Dancer/Musician/Siren/Superstar) Lvl 78/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 13
                    Sieghart (Gladiator/Warlord/Duelist/Prime Knight) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Jin (Fighter/Shisa/Asura/Rama) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 1
                    Zero (Seeker/Wanderer) Lvl 79/80, MP Bars 4/4 EXP Rank 9
                    Dio (Stygian/Drakar//Leviathan) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Rin (Caller) Lvl 77/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 32
                    Rufus (Bounty Hunter/Killer/Ravager/Arbiter) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1
                    Ley (Summoner/Harbringer) lvl 79/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 21
                    Asin (Desciple) Lvl 80/80, MP Bars 4/4, EXP Rank 1 (Eastern Rain Liquid Jade aquired)

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                    • wargasm1
                      Cowbelling FFR
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1289

                      #25
                      Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                      Why would there be more mashing if scores arent 90% dependant on combo like they are now?

                      People mash now cause it is profitable to mash rather than just pa. I wish i could just play those gurus and get good pa on them, i'd probly get decent ranks, but everyone mashed them and its impossible for me to get a good score if i dont mash fc them.

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                      • MrRubix
                        FFR Player
                        • Sep 2026
                        • 8340

                        #26
                        Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                        Mashing would naturally harm a score under the right metrics due to the utter **** it'd deliver to the accuracy portion. Problem solves itself.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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                        • rushyrulz
                          Digital Dancing!
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 12985

                          #27
                          Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                          Originally posted by wargasm1
                          Why would there be more mashing if scores arent 90% dependant on combo like they are now?

                          People mash now cause it is profitable to mash rather than just pa. I wish i could just play those gurus and get good pa on them, i'd probly get decent ranks, but everyone mashed them and its impossible for me to get a good score if i dont mash fc them.
                          Only mash the hard parts. You'll get a better score than someone who just mashed the whole song. lol @ the purpose of this thread slowly straying off-topic.
                          Last edited by rushyrulz; 10-20-2010, 11:36 AM.


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                          • Zageron
                            Zageron E. Tazaterra
                            FFR Administrator
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 6592

                            #28
                            Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                            I agree with rubix. Now we just have to rewrite the code for NSane so he doesn't get overwhelmed. ;]

                            Any idea how it would work?

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                            • MrRubix
                              FFR Player
                              • Sep 2026
                              • 8340

                              #29
                              Re: Losing fc, this should get fixed

                              The code is piss-easy. We already know how score is calculated:

                              1000*(your max combo) + 550*(your perfects) + 275*(your goods) + 55*(your averages) - 270*(your misses) - 30*(your boos)

                              That's about it. Just an equation processed somewhere in the Flash code.
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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