Discuss how crazy Crowdpleaser is.

[Shashakiro]

Re: Discuss how crazy Crowdpleaser is.

Would it be possible to request a re-stepping of that song, only replacing the trill with rolls so people actually have a chance to combo?

No.

Perhaps if we get an extension to the purchased section, someone can try making a V2...that's really it. Current version most certainly won't be changed.

[Turboyoshi]

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You know, I think that blue left arrow in the 64th stream is glitched, because I smashed the arrow on my keyboard and didn't accept it.

If you don't know what I am talking about, look for Fantasticone's post of the crowdpleaser jack part earlier in this thread on the first page, that shows the blue arrow in the middle of two orange arrows (32nds).

Funny, it let me hit that blue arrow, but i pretty much missed all of the others XD

Crowdpleaser is death to one-handers on that one part :P

[Silver Metallic]

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Wait a minute...if FFR can't handle 16th jacks, how the **** can it handle a 64th trill? That's basically 32nd jacks on each side.

I think it's because FFR has an "attentional blink" of sorts.


Are you ready? Here it comes:

SILVER'S ATTENTIONAL BLINK THEORY

*ahem*
Whenever you hit a note, there's a brief moment where pressing another arrow will not register. This is not noticeable at lower speeds, but past a certain BPM, jacks will become unPCable as the attentional blink begins to cut into the next note.

So why then are 64th trills possible? Because there are constant interrupting arrows. The attentional blink, therefore, is constantly switching from side to side and effective only when it does not matter.

There.

[hi19hi19]

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Nice theory.

Turns out the truth is that averages take higher priority over perfects, so you miss the closer arrow even if you hit the keyboard at the exact right moment.

[ieatyourlvllol]

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EDIT: See Shash's post for his correction on my explanation on FFR jacks.

[Shashakiro]

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Ieat: Perf window is 3 frames, not 2.

[ieatyourlvllol]

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Oops...my fault...lemme fix. I drew my diagram incorrectly.

Thanks, Shash.

[Turboyoshi]

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So will there be any new spaces in purchased? Because a new crowdpleaser could be fun.

So lets see, you have approximately 4 seconds to hit...around 20 notes, is probably more, but that adds up to 5 notes a second

O_o

[simulater10]

Re: Discuss how crazy Crowdpleaser is.

So will there be any new spaces in purchased? Because a new crowdpleaser could be fun.

So lets see, you have aproximately 4 seconds to hit...around 20 notes, is probably more, but that adds up to 5 notes a second

wow, thats pretty insane man

[Turboyoshi]

Re: Discuss how crazy Crowdpleaser is.

wow, thats pretty insane man

Yeah, the only way crowdpleaser could be completed FC is if someone programmed a robotic hand to do press each note as it is on the receptor. At least i think so, anyone else have any suggestions?

[Shashakiro]

Re: Discuss how crazy Crowdpleaser is.

Yes, and for those who don't already know it, the correct explanation is as follows:

Each arrow in FFR has 6 frames in which it will register a hit:

average (earliest)
good
perfect
perfect
perfect
good (latest)

When jacks are 6 frames apart, it is possible for a person to hit the first arrow at its latest frame (giving them a good), and still be able to hit the next arrow (on any of its frames).

However, when jacks hit a separation of 5 frames, it no longer becomes possible to get a late good on the first arrow. Hitting it at that time registers the earliest (average) frame of the second arrow, causing you to miss the first. As hi stated, averages unfortunately take precedence over other accuracies.

For every less frame of separation, you lose one frame from the end of the first arrow. Example: 3 frame separation gives you only the earliest 3 frames (average, good, perfect) to hit the first arrow.

Thus, 1-frame jacks are impossible to get anything but an average on. With just the average frame to hit the first arrow, the best a person can get is a average-perfect.

That being said, the 1-framers in Crowdpleaser are absolutely ridiculous...

All fixed for accuracy.

Also, 5 notes a second is pathetically slow. Think about how long a second is--5 notes in a second is somewhere around the speed of Secret Zombie Room.

Crowdpleaser's trill is...*calculates*...32 notes per second.

Yeah.

[Turboyoshi]

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All fixed for accuracy.

*Applauds Shash and Ieat*

That could be stickied as a guide.

Can't believe i forgot Ieat, he wrote it XD

Edit: I told you 20 notes wasn't Accurate XD I Tried playing to the point where that trill was but my fingers failed and died. I decided to be lazy, and guess the amount of seconds in the trill, and guess the amount of notes off of the screenshot taken of it. I Phail XD

[ieatyourlvllol]

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Yeah, sorry about that...

I was in the middle of correcting it when my connection gave out. In any case, I even don't know how I originally got two frames of perfects (which is kind of silly).

Anyways, unless someone can consistently hit the average frames of 64ths at Crowdpleaser's speed, they have no chance whatsoever of comboing the trill. Shash or Baha might someday, but it'll probably be a one-time ordeal.

P.S. - Thanks again, Shash.

P.S.2. - Why do I always get numbers involving FFR mixed up? I fail. XD

[korny]

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32 notes per second? i can do it

[Nul]

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Would it be possible to request a re-stepping of that song, only replacing the trill with rolls so people actually have a chance to combo?

no!!!, we need to have proof of something that can only be accepted once, in this case, CP's jacks.

just so you all know, this song is do-able, i went through every, yes every jack, not in one combo, but this song will someday be FC'ed.

I'll get some proof when I get my hands on a camera again

+, this should be one of the first to go to Misc.