New Songs! Coming?

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

ugh, i know what your saying but 2 every 2 weeks is pretty strict. My conclusions is realistic you can't truly believe they only have 2 completed song every 2 weeks?

Anyways , im done arguing. The only way we will know who is right is if a devs tells us.

What ever the awnser is, would rather them release songs in bigger batches then 2 every 2 weeks...

There are something like 500+ songs in the 1-50 range that you've played only once or twice. If you're goal is to play 10k files and be done with the game that's up to you but like, you can't be complaining bout it you know.

Also, just for the sake of understanding your thoughts if possible, why are you suspicious at all ? What makes you believe that the admins keep files stored away voluntarily other than reasons I mentionned ?

[the sun fan]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

Well, i could be wrong and so could you, but i know they get more then 2 song submissions every 2 weeks.

Its not necessarily about how many submissions they get every two weeks, because there are certain files that aren't going to be added because of whatever reason(s), but I remember someone complaining that there was a whole month that passed without a single submission previously.

[AutotelicBrown]

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I know it's not equal obviously I simplified it. Is it really that close to a gaussian though ? Just curious.

From what I remember back when OWA still managed the ratings, they were intentionally tuned to follow a smooth curve, especially when the big overhaul was done. From a quick check over the public songs:

Range - Number of songs / Cumulative distribution
1 to 9 - 67 / 67
10 to 19 - 134 / 201
20 to 29 - 141 /342
30 to 39 - 196 / 518
40 to 49 - 196 / 714
50 to 59 - 280 / 994
60 to 69 - 383 / 1377
70 to 79 - 256 / 1633
80 to 89 - 187 / 1820
90 to 99 - 94 / 1914
100 to 110 - 24 / 1938

Not quite a Gaussian but it's unimodal with some weirdness on the lower end due to older files. If I had easy access to the data I'd check how the distribution looks like for different periods of time. I'd guess nowdays the average would be around FMO range.

[potasium56]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

There are something like 500+ songs in the 1-50 range that you've played only once or twice. If you're goal is to play 10k files and be done with the game that's up to you but like, you can't be complaining bout it you know.

I have played all the songs from level 1 to 49 and 50 is too hard to be enjoyable to play. I'm just bored and want more level 30 to 49 songs to play cause 50 is not enjoyable... " Guess i could play etterna and just have endless amount of songs at least etterna give you the ability to add songs...

Also, just for the sake of understanding your thoughts if possible, why are you suspicious at all ? What makes you believe that the admins keep files stored away voluntarily other than reasons I mentionned ?

Cause they always would want songs to be released and not have none release. Anyone with common sense would know they get more then 2 song submissions each 2 week with the amount of visitors they get each month 288.33K.

So, lets say there are 5 songs that are accepted. So what does the ffr devs do with the extra 3 songs? "Store Them"..

[xXOpkillerXx]

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From what I remember back when OWA still managed the ratings, they were intentionally tuned to follow a smooth curve, especially when the big overhaul was done. From a quick check over the public songs:

Range - Number of songs / Cumulative distribution
1 to 9 - 67 / 67
10 to 19 - 134 / 201
20 to 29 - 141 /342
30 to 39 - 196 / 518
40 to 49 - 196 / 714
50 to 59 - 280 / 994
60 to 69 - 383 / 1377
70 to 79 - 256 / 1633
80 to 89 - 187 / 1820
90 to 99 - 94 / 1914
100 to 110 - 24 / 1938

Not quite a Gaussian but it's unimodal with some weirdness on the lower end due to older files. If I had easy access to the data I'd check how the distribution looks like for different periods of time. I'd guess nowdays the average would be around FMO range.

Oh that's neat. I should be complaining too since there are only ~5% of files in my [90,110] range !!! lmao

But yeah no matter is the release rate is one file per day or one file per year, Potasium's arguments are just air if he doesn't specify a solid reason as to why the admins would have malicious intent and kept the files for no good reason.

[potasium56]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

Potasium's arguments are just air if he doesn't specify a solid reason as to why the admins would have malicious intent and kept the files for no good reason.

So, lets say there are 5 songs that are accepted. So what does the ffr devs do with the extra 3 songs? "Store Them" and wait another 2 weeks to release them...There is going to be times that more then 2 songs are accepted and the ffr team have to store the over hanging songs to be released the next 2 weeks.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

There are official tournaments every year, those require an important amount of files.

The files go through a judging system so that the ingame files are of the best quality.

Releases also bring interest to the game because it grows in content at a steady pace.

There are something like 500+ songs in the 1-50 range that you've played only once or twice.

If you're just gonna be complaining dude idk what to tell you.

[potasium56]

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If you're just gonna be complaining dude idk what to tell you.

you didn't answer this dummy

So, lets say there are 5 songs that are accepted. So what does the ffr devs do with the extra 3 songs? "Store Them" and wait another 2 weeks to release them...There is going to be times that more then 2 songs are accepted and the ffr team have to store the over hanging songs to be released the next 2 weeks.

This is why i know they have a bunch of songs stored

[TC_Halogen]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

Hello

Am curious, are the devs going to add more songs to ffr or is 2,139 songs the max ffr will ever have?

I feel there aren't many song between 20 to 40 compared to the higher level songs.

Song releases have slowed for a couple of reasons, one of them being the upcoming official tournament. Judgments in that process have been a bit on the slower side because of other engagements. Most of the people that are helping to maintain the game have actual lives outside of the game and the maintenance of it is purely a hobby.

With that being said, you also need to understand that the game's developers have nothing to do with the production of the actual content itself; they produce features for the game's engines and handle other side-wite design/development. All of the content that is produced for the game comes from players like yourself, all of which learned how to create content. If you're interested in contributing, take a look at the FAQ in the section that talks about how to contribute to the site. The information is slightly dated on the tools that you can use, particularly with the creation of a new editor called ArrowVortex, but that should at least get you started in the process.

The point that you made about there not being enough fresh content in that difficulty range, no matter how valid, can be addressed through the creation of new content in that area. Take a look at charts that are in game, particularly ones that have been put in within the last 3-4 years, and figure out how they go about structuring themselves with the music.

EDIT: It is also quite clear that you're not quite familiar with the process on how content is submitted, aggregated, judged/reviewed, and released as well. It is not as simple as files being judged in a moment's notice and determined to be of reasonable quality. There are bi-monthly batches that occur and content is submitted to them, with reviews happening after each closure. Files are queued and stored for future usage.

[xXOpkillerXx]

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you didn't answer this dummy

So, lets say there are 5 songs that are accepted. So what does the ffr devs do with the extra 3 songs? "Store Them" and wait another 2 weeks to release them...There is going to be times that more then 2 songs are accepted and the ffr team have to store the over hanging songs to be released the next 2 weeks.

Oh sorry I totally didn't see that you ignored what I told you before asking me your question. My bad.

Yep, they would keep the file safe for another release. Why ? Multiple reasons: events, keeping the distribution not too unfair (by releasing ten 50's in a row), making sure content is always available for future releases, etc.

Since you're so inclined to think there's some bad intention anywhere, I'm sure you know all about how our song submissions, judging (and the team), and releases work right ? Why don't you tell me some more about that ?

[potasium56]

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Song releases have slowed for a couple of reasons, one of them being the upcoming official tournament. Judgments in that process have been a bit on the slower side because of other engagements. Most of the people that are helping to maintain the game have actual lives outside of the game and the maintenance of it is purely a hobby.

With that being said, you also need to understand that the game's developers have nothing to do with the production of the actual content itself; they produce features for the game's engines and handle other side-wite design/development. All of the content that is produced for the game comes from players like yourself, all of which learned how to create content. If you're interested in contributing, take a look at the FAQ in the section that talks about how to contribute to the site. The information is slightly dated on the tools that you can use, particularly with the creation of a new editor called ArrowVortex, but that should at least get you started in the process.

The point that you made about there not being enough fresh content in that difficulty range, no matter how valid, can be addressed through the creation of new content in that area. Take a look at charts that are in game, particularly ones that have been put in within the last 3-4 years, and figure out how they go about structuring themselves with the music.

Okay can you answer this...

So, lets say there are 5 songs that are accepted. So what does the ffr devs do with the extra 3 songs? "Store Them" and wait another 2 weeks to release them? this whole thread is me and opkiller trying to see if you store songs.

Hes saying you don't

But i say you do cause you probably accept more songs that 2 to be released right?

[TC_Halogen]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

EDIT: It is also quite clear that you're not quite familiar with the process on how content is submitted, aggregated, judged/reviewed, and released as well. It is not as simple as files being judged in a moment's notice and determined to be of reasonable quality. There are bi-monthly batches that occur and content is submitted to them, with reviews happening after each closure. Files are queued and stored for future usage.

I will reiterate this.

[potasium56]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

[QUOTE=xXOpkillerXx;4626775]]

Omg, ffr dev team confirmed it " . Files are queued and stored for future usage." I knew they stored songs..

This whole conflict between me and opkiller was over if ffr stored the songs....i knew they did and opkiller was arguing with me they don't. All this thread was about was me asking if they added songs and responded with my opinion. Then, went to say ffr team stores songs and could release more if they wanted every 2 weeks.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

Yep, they would keep the file safe for another release. Why ? Multiple reasons: events, keeping the distribution not too unfair (by releasing ten 50's in a row), making sure content is always available for future releases, etc.

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[TC_Halogen]

Re: New Songs! Coming?

As I've said before, you're not understanding the flow of content into the game. Files are naturally going to be stored: batches are run every two months for users to freely send content, and after the submission period for a given period is closed, the files are sent out to judges for review. All of the files that are deemed high enough quality for the game are placed in a queue and are available for release as the Game Management team sees fit.

Something else that you should realize as well: content has been submitted to FFR by users for a very long time, and other files may have been prioritized ahead for various reasons. One of them is to prevent inundation of files that are at the same range all in at one shot (the official tournament is one such situation where this already happens). Additionally, certain files are kept for token releases.

Also, files that were planned on being used for official tournament purposes but didn't make the final roster are occasionally saved for the next iteration.

Please take the time to understand the submission process from start to finish before making complaints about the lack of content, or the "storage" of content. FFR users that have been around for a while will tell you that there is nothing out of the ordinary about this process — in fact, files are being released faster than they used to be. Some users had files release almost three years after their submission acceptance (sorry hi19hi19, haha). It's just how things worked out.